Originally Posted by BB2220
(Post 24586132)
I was referring to the flight on the 26th. Winds are strong this week. Operating non stop would mean bumping anywhere between 30-70 passengers depending on the day. A fuel stop would be much cheaper and convenient despite what others might say. I would take a three hour delay over the 24 hour delay any time.
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Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite
(Post 24586542)
No one needs bumped if you weight restrict the aircraft and do not sell the seats in the first place, and thus provide the service that you are selling.
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Originally Posted by BB2220
(Post 24586476)
I agree misconnects are frustrating, but if it's either that or fly tomorrow I suck it up in E- for 2-3 hours
Originally Posted by Baze
(Post 24586546)
Do you have a special crystal ball that can predict the high altitude winds in the future with utmost accuracy? Months in advance so they don't sell the seats?
The counter-argument is that UA would not otherwise be able to fly certain routes. Whether that's sufficient justification can (and has been) endlessly debated. |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 24586583)
The basic point that people are making here is that UA schedules and sells these flights knowing that some percentage of passengers are going to be significantly inconvenienced by a fuel stop because UA is flying an aircraft that's unsuited for the route. UA doesn't know which flights, or which days, but they know it's going to happen.
The counter-argument is that UA would not otherwise be able to fly certain routes. Whether that's sufficient justification can (and has been) endlessly debated. I think UA should make it very clear to folks who buy a ticket on the affected routes that fuel diversions are likely to happen. Last thing I want is to buy and fly UA and wind up having to stop for fuel. I could have booked a different airline that actually has and flies the right equipment to get the job done. |
The thing is, as Kacee said, this HAS been debated endlessly here. The final word is UA thinks it does have the right equipment for the job and accepts that some small percentage of flights will get diverted and is willing to pay the compensation for that small percentage. The thing is, we have no idea why UA feels it is necessary to use the equipment it does.
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Originally Posted by Baze
(Post 24586760)
The thing is, as Kacee said, this HAS been debated endlessly here. The final word is UA thinks it does have the right equipment for the job and accepts that some small percentage of flights will get diverted and is willing to pay the compensation for that small percentage. The thing is, we have no idea why UA feels it is necessary to use the equipment it does.
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Originally Posted by DL2SXM
(Post 24586768)
UA clearly does not have the right equipment for the job. If they did then they wouldn't be making so many diversions for fuel. It happened once, twice even three times then fine, maybe its the right equipment however, It happens quite often. Therefore, its clearly not the right equipment.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't fly it, I am only saying they should be a little more transparent with the facts of it. While many of the Europe to USA 752 routes divert each year, some are far more of a problem than others. For example, I read that CDG just diverted, and a LHR. Those are extremely rare diversions. Flights like TXL and BCN are not rare and should be marketed accordingly.
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The company wants to eventually move the TATL 757s away from Continental Europe and relegate them to UK & domestic markets over the next couple of years. Part of this involves reconfiguring the 3-cabin 763s to the 2-cabin 76E standard.
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Originally Posted by cfischer
(Post 24583031)
Delta can fly their 752s just fine; UA can't. They either fix this problem or they stop flying 752s to Europe ... it's that simple. I avoid them whenever I can, MX and diversions make for an unpleasant combo.
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
(Post 24587017)
The company wants to eventually move the TATL 757s away from Continental Europe and relegate them to UK & domestic markets over the next couple of years. Part of this involves reconfiguring the 3-cabin 763s to the 2-cabin 76E standard.
Originally Posted by DL2SXM
(Post 24586768)
UA clearly does not have the right equipment for the job. If they did then they wouldn't be making so many diversions for fuel. It happened once, twice even three times then fine, maybe its the right equipment however, It happens quite often. Therefore, its clearly not the right equipment.
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
(Post 24587017)
The company wants to eventually move the TATL 757s away from Continental Europe and relegate them to UK & domestic markets over the next couple of years. Part of this involves reconfiguring the 3-cabin 763s to the 2-cabin 76E standard.
If they move all the 767's to EWR what will ORD be left with? 787? We have 3 x LHR, 1 CDG, 1 AMS. I'm sure I'm missing another. It does seem like UA has some extra slack in the 67 fleet. I had 2 cancel the same day and they still found a 3rd. |
Originally Posted by Baze
(Post 24586760)
The final word is UA thinks it does have the right equipment for the job and accepts that some small percentage of flights will get diverted and is willing to pay the compensation for that small percentage. The thing is, we have no idea why UA feels it is necessary to use the equipment it does.
Originally Posted by Baze
(Post 24586790)
If you don't like it fly another airline that uses the planes you feel are correct for the route you fly.
Originally Posted by Neil35
(Post 24587804)
We are probably also seeing the concept of "diminishing returns" at work here.
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Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 24588314)
Because the 752s are all they've got, and UA has taken a good CO idea (752s on short TATLs to secondary stations like DUB / BRS / BFS) and turned it into a bad idea (752s on longer TATLs on the edge of their range capability to primary markets).
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 24588367)
.... The longest of these routes (TXL, HAM) were initiated by CO well before the merger.
and a TATL diversion thread from 2007 - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/conti...ds-merged.html |
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