Why does United put 757s on certain flights from EWR to europe
Aug 6, 2014, 5:03 pm
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they also fly KEF-SEA, IIRC, which is marginally longer (3622mi)
Aug 6, 2014, 7:42 pm
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I just completed my first round trip EWR-HAM-EWR in BF in this thing.
Never again. Besides having to leave and arrive EWR with its friendly people,
I didn't like:
1. The advertised 6'4" BF seat is way shorter than that (and we had the first row big cubby hole). I am 6'6" and couldn't sleep at all, but my 5'10" GF could not stretch out in these seats either. They are more like 5'8" useable surface.
2. The air quality is way worse than wide body, even the 767 is better
3. The staff was very lazy both ways. Hiding away and being noisy in the galley. Outbound the seatbelt sign was on the entire 7 hours
Never again. Besides having to leave and arrive EWR with its friendly people,
I didn't like:
1. The advertised 6'4" BF seat is way shorter than that (and we had the first row big cubby hole). I am 6'6" and couldn't sleep at all, but my 5'10" GF could not stretch out in these seats either. They are more like 5'8" useable surface.
2. The air quality is way worse than wide body, even the 767 is better
3. The staff was very lazy both ways. Hiding away and being noisy in the galley. Outbound the seatbelt sign was on the entire 7 hours
Aug 6, 2014, 8:45 pm
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I've taken the 757 on IAD/EWR to LHR and back a few times. It seems very uncomfortable by the end of the flight. Also, I cannot understand why UA needs to use such tiny equipment on routes where its competitors are flying 747s and 777s mostly.
Aug 7, 2014, 3:19 am
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http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...010Z/EGAA/KEWR
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...800Z/EIDW/KEWR
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...155Z/EIDW/KEWR
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...805Z/EINN/KEWR
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...800Z/EGPF/KEWR
Etc etc. I don't care about Barcelona but you really NEED to stop saying that this service isn't good because of this because for me and the people here the service has been fantastic. It means we can get the service to America without going anywhere else.
I do agree that its daft flying a narrowbody to Germany though..
Aug 7, 2014, 6:49 am
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But in markets where there isn't another non-stop option, some might find the 757 service inadequate or overly prone to fuel stops, although, if you decide to take another airline simply to avoid the fuel stop, you've basically guaranteed yourself a "fuel stop" by building in a connection...
Aug 7, 2014, 7:25 am
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I think the real issue is with UA's 757s having to divert for fuel often turning a NS into a one stop whereas DL's 757s seem to be able to make it back to the states without having to stop (maybe a few times but not nearly the amount as UA). United, obvious masters of fuel diversions, can turn it in 60 minutes or less, still adds a robust 2 hours to the flight time. I would hope that united gives compensation for diverted fuel flights and advertises or adds a disclaimer that certain 757 TATL routes are prone to fuel stops.
Aug 7, 2014, 7:28 am
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Aug 7, 2014, 7:38 am
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I think the real issue is with UA's 757s having to divert for fuel often turning a NS into a one stop whereas DL's 757s seem to be able to make it back to the states without having to stop (maybe a few times but not nearly the amount as UA). United, obvious masters of fuel diversions, can turn it in 60 minutes or less, still adds a robust 2 hours to the flight time. I would hope that united gives compensation for diverted fuel flights and advertises or adds a disclaimer that certain 757 TATL routes are prone to fuel stops.
DL flies 757s JFK-DUB, but on JFK-BCN, they fly an A330.
If DL flew a 752 on JFK-BCN there is little question they would have similar fuel diversions rates (unless they weight restricted the a/c).
Aug 7, 2014, 7:46 am
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The reason I've been watching these flights is that wife and I are doing that route in a few weeks. When I was looking to book this flight there were other options, the one I was leaning towars was a BA 787 from AUS->LHR and then a BA A321 from LHR->BCN, and same route on the way back. The ONLY reason we chose the UA flights is because the wife is a 1K so we get the extra baggage allowance, not paying for E+ seats and a chance to use a few GPU's to try for a BF seat. Looks like I should have just paid for the luggage and upgraded coach seats. So far very slim chance of an upgrade, BF has been sold out on UA120 for over a month and UA121 is down to 2 seats left. Also hoping to keep the middle seat open between us, that's now also taken on the outbound. At least we have FC seats on the RJ between AUS and EWR on both legs.
Aug 7, 2014, 7:57 am
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The reason I've been watching these flights is that wife and I are doing that route in a few weeks. When I was looking to book this flight there were other options, the one I was leaning towars was a BA 787 from AUS->LHR and then a BA A321 from LHR->BCN, and same route on the way back. The ONLY reason we chose the UA flights is because the wife is a 1K so we get the extra baggage allowance, not paying for E+ seats and a chance to use a few GPU's to try for a BF seat. Looks like I should have just paid for the luggage and upgraded coach seats. So far very slim chance of an upgrade, BF has been sold out on UA120 for over a month and UA121 is down to 2 seats left. Also hoping to keep the middle seat open between us, that's now also taken on the outbound. At least we have FC seats on the RJ between AUS and EWR on both legs.
But at least you'll get E+. Yes, it's not anything fancy, but at least you get quite a bit more legroom and it's free.
I'm based in NYC, so for me, the first consideration is a preference for a non-stop flight over any connection, when possible. If I were flying NYC-ARN I would go ahead and pick the UA 757, even if there is a potential for fuel diversion, simply based on the principle that any other option would involve a stop, which is basically a "guaranteed" diversion.
But if I were in your shoes, yes, it's a little more complicated. The good news is you will definitely not have a diversion eastbound; that never happens (not for fuel, at least). The bad news is you might have one on the return trip and while I'm not exactly sure what your routing is, it appears as if the EWR-AUS connection leaves 5 hours after the scheduled arrival of UA121 at EWR so, even with an unscheduled stop at scenic Bangor you should be okay...
Look at the bright side, even if your BF upgrades don't clear, you'll be guaranteed E+, which certainly beats the pretty wretched E- on BA. As far as connecting cities I would usually say that anything beats flying through LHR, but with EWR as your option, it's pretty much a toss up...
Enjoy your trip!
Aug 7, 2014, 8:11 am
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The only reason that UA's 757's are diverted more often is because these fuel stops happen on flights with longer distances.
DL flies 757s JFK-DUB, but on JFK-BCN, they fly an A330.
If DL flew a 752 on JFK-BCN there is little question they would have similar fuel diversions rates (unless they weight restricted the a/c).
DL flies 757s JFK-DUB, but on JFK-BCN, they fly an A330.
If DL flew a 752 on JFK-BCN there is little question they would have similar fuel diversions rates (unless they weight restricted the a/c).