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Old Aug 7, 2014, 8:49 am
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anyone have any experience on the EWR > MAN route? 757-200 plane.

May be taking a flight to Manchester, UK next year
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Delta flies a 757 on the ARN to JFK route which is approximately 60 miles longer then the UA 757 BCN to EWR. The delta flight doesn't need to divert nearly as much as the UA 757. Someone explained in another UA forum that this is due to the better engines on the DL 757s
Interesting, I didn't know that.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
I'm based in NYC, so for me, the first consideration is a preference for a non-stop flight over any connection, when possible. If I were flying NYC-ARN I would go ahead and pick the UA 757, even if there is a potential for fuel diversion, simply based on the principle that any other option would involve a stop, which is basically a "guaranteed" diversion.
The difference is, you would know in advance that you would be stopping, as opposed to an unplanned diversion for fuel.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by LETTERBOY
The difference is, you would know in advance that you would be stopping, as opposed to an unplanned diversion for fuel.
In my mind, here's the difference: if I'm making a connection, I have a 100% probability of stopping, if I'm on a UA 757 I have up to a 5% probability of stopping.

Sure, it's a bit of a bummer making an unscheduled stop, but at least on the non-stop I would be ahead of the game most or the time.

I don't see how making a connection is any kind of solution to resenting unscheduled fuel diversions.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
I don't see how making a connection is any kind of solution to resenting unscheduled fuel diversions.
It's much easier to plan for something that you know for a fact will happen. Furthermore, if the airline tells me my flight is a non-stop and ends up turning it into a one-stop because they had to divert for fuel, thus screwing up the rest of my schedule, you're damn right I'm going to resent that.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 9:42 am
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What's interesting is that ARN, TXL & STR are further then BCN, yet none of those flights have had to make diversions in the few days that BCN - EWR has been diverting.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
What's interesting is that ARN, TXL & STR are further then BCN, yet none of those flights have had to make diversions in the few days that BCN - EWR has been diverting.
Different flight routings/winds.
Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Delta flies a 757 on the ARN to JFK route which is approximately 60 miles longer then the UA 757 BCN to EWR. The delta flight doesn't need to divert nearly as much as the UA 757.
UA has not diverted recently on that route [ARN-EWR]either.

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Old Aug 7, 2014, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
Different flight routings/winds.

UA has not diverted recently on that route either.
BCN-EWR has diverted everyday since the 3rd.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
BCN-EWR has diverted everyday since the 3rd.
And not on ARN-EWR, the route being compared to ARN-JFK in the post I quoted. :-:
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Delta flies a 757 on the ARN to JFK route which is approximately 60 miles longer then the UA 757 BCN to EWR. The delta flight doesn't need to divert nearly as much as the UA 757. Someone explained in another UA forum that this is due to the better engines on the DL 757s
Do you think it might be because EWR gets so congested and they have no time to circle?
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
Actually, the shortest is KEF-JFK, it's about 2,590 miles, or about the same as U.S. domestic transcon.
If we consider North America-Iceland as not TATL, as some have argued, then the shortest TATL presently flown as scheduled commercial service is YYT-LHR, 2316mi, flown by AC with an A319. Max range of a fully loaded A319-100 with sharklets is 4300mi. By comparison max range of a fully loaded 757-300 with winglets is 4137mi.

For those who really want trivia, the shortest possible domestic (wholly within France) TATL flight would be is FSP-BES, 2374mi. Not that any airline would ever consider offering it.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Indelaware
If we consider North America-Iceland as not TATL, as some have argued, then the shortest TATL presently flown as scheduled commercial service is YYT-LHR, 2316mi, flown by AC with an A319. Max range of a fully loaded A319-100 with sharklets is 4300mi. By comparison max range of a fully loaded 757-300 with winglets is 4137mi.

For those who really want trivia, the shortest possible domestic (wholly within France) TATL flight would be is FSP-BES, 2374mi. Not that any airline would ever consider offering it.
No..

DUB to YYT is 2,049 miles.

I don't think Reykjavik actually has a flight as short as that.
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Old Aug 7, 2014, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
No..

DUB to YYT is 2,049 miles.

I don't think Reykjavik actually has a flight as short as that.
Oops, I excluded WS' YYT-DUB service as it is only seasonal.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 11:53 am
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United has a hub at EWR in the north eastern us. It is a fantastic location to have 757s in range to a decently large portion of europe.
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Old Aug 9, 2014, 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by gamester990
anyone have any experience on the EWR > MAN route? 757-200 plane.

May be taking a flight to Manchester, UK next year
I fly this route nearly every month - the plane is usually pretty full and arrival time is perfect - early (but not too early) morning and never a wait at immigration....
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