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Types of Upgrades

UA's Upgrades overview

UA has multiple methods for upgrading to a higher cabin. Examples include: Economy to Domestic First, Economy to International Business or Business (ex-p.s. flights) or Economy to Premium Economy ("Premium Plus").

In this regard, seating in Economy Plus is considered Economy.

Not all upgrade methods are available on all flights (see table).
  • Complimentary Premier Upgrades (CPU) are available for most North American flights, Central America flights, and some select Oceania flights. "ex-PS" flights (EWR/JFK-SFO/LAX) and Hawaii-EWR, IAD, ORD, IAH, DEN, GUM, MAJ and v.v. are not CPU eligible. CPUs are available for all paid fares and in some cases on award tickets with certain credit cards. A CPU is requested automatically for all elites as long as there is a maximum of one non-Premier as only one companion on the same PNR is also eligible for CPU. CPUs cannot be confirmed until inside the particular window:
Global Services: 120 hours
Premier 1K: 96 hours
Premier Platinum: 72 hours
Premier Gold: 48 hours
Premier Silver: 24 hours
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  • Plus Points (provided to Plats and above) are the upgrade currency of United elites. This wiki of this thread has more details about pricing of various Plus Points upgrades.
  • Mileage Upgrade Awards (MUA) can be requested for all UA flights with a higher cabin on all paid fares. This a varying amount of miles and a $ copay (elites are exempt from the co-pay for CPU eligible flights) -- mileage+copay calculator
    Note the miles and copay are due at time of the request and will be returned if unsuccessful.
  • Instant Upgrades are space available for all elites on Y & B fares for CPU-eligible flights at booking or thereafter. For Platinum and below these require PZ space. For 1Ks and GS, this can be done on Y, B & M fares and requires PN space. These Instant Upgrades, if not cleared at booking, cannot be waitlisted and one must keep checking to see if the instant upgrade space opens up. However, CPUs will process, as discussed above.
  • Paid/cash upgrades are a different mechanism and are only available if confirmable -- no waitlisting. Depending on methods, paid upgrades can clear into almost any fare class. If the class would otherwise be used for upgrades, the cash upsell can show up on the cleared upgrade list.
Plus Points and MUA (also called "miles+cash upgrades") are collectively referred to as instrument-supported upgrades, as they are considered with equal priority once applied. They may also be used on Copa (CM), Lufthansa (LH), and ANA (NH) flights.
Waitlisting for a premium cabin award and all forms of Economy Plus are not considered upgrades.


Upgrade Priority and Required Inventory

All upgrades other than CPU may clear immediately if the required inventory class is available. If you request an upgrade when there is not inventory to confirm your upgrade immediately, you will be added to the upgrade waitlist. The required inventory classes are as follows:

RN class is required for all upgrades to Premium Economy (United Premium Plus)
PN class is required for Instant Upgrades to Business/First from Y, B, and M fares for Premier 1K members, and for all upgrades to Business/First of any type for Global Services members.
PZ class is required for all other upgrades to Business/First except CPUs.

Note: The display of the upgrade lists is rather complicated at the moment. There seems to be more information available than usual, but its accuracy is disputed. The following is how it has historically functioned in terms of public visibility.

Passengers with unconfirmed upgrade requests will be added to the upgrade waitlist. This is not the same as the upgrade standby list which you can see on the Flight Status page. You cannot see this list by any means. The ordering of the upgrade waitlist is as follows:
Fare Class priority is J, C, D, Z, P, O, A, R, Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, W, S, T, L, K, G, N.

Waitlist priority for all flights
  • United Global Services® requests
  • PlusPoints upgrades and MileagePlus Upgrade Awards
  • Premier status of the traveler*
  • Fare class
  • Chase United MileagePlus Club cardholders and Presidential Plus cardholders
  • United Corporate Preferred participants
  • United Chase Cardmembers with $25,000 in annual spending
  • Date and time of request



If we haven't confirmed your upgrade by the time you check in for your flight, you will be added to the Upgrades list at check-in, so there's nothing that you need to do after submitting your original request. Our upgrade systems process requests until three hours before flight departure, at which point our gate agents will handle all remaining upgrade requests.

*On flights equipped with United Premium Plus, we will process requests to upgrade to business class for customers ticketed in United Premium Plus (fare classes O, A, R) before processing requests for customers ticketed in economy.

Upgrade priority on United Premium Plus
On aircraft with United Premium Plus, we’ll first process United Polaris business class or United Business waitlists for all members who have purchased United Premium Plus seats, using the same priority order that applies to all upgrades. We’ll then process waitlists for members with United Economy seats.

New waitlist requests for MileagePlus Upgrade Awards can be made until 24 hours before departure. New waitlist requests for PlusPoints upgrades can be made up until the flight check-in cutoff time.

United will periodically run sweeps from this list. The required inventory class for your upgrade does not need to be available in order to be upgraded from the standby list; passengers on the list will be upgraded at the discretion of United's systems. (You can also think of it as space was opened and then you immediately took it.)

For flights with Premium Plus, those with paid Premium Plus fares will be prioritized above those with paid economy fares even if status is lower. However, GS with paid economy are higher on the list than non-GS customers with paid Premium Plus fares. Therefore, GS with paid Prem Plus, then GS with paid economy, then other Prem Plus pax (1Ks, then Plat, then Gold, etc), then Economy (1Ks, then Plat, then Gold, etc). Not clear if this applies to GS in economy -- certainly not pre-gate waitlist (as they are waitlisted for PN) but unclear what happens at the gate merged waitlist.
How does PlusPoints/GPU/ Mileage Upgrade waitlist for business work with PremiumPlus?

Once check-in starts a new waitlist will be generated for use at the gate. The pre-gate list will continue to process until the flight goes to the gate, typically one to three hours prior to departure. This new list is the visible one on the Flight Status page. Generally they will have the same order, but there can be some differences in priority ordering of the two lists -- usually due to the time tiebreaker -- which is time of request for the pre-gate list and time of check-in (sequence number) for gate list. The visible (upgrade standby) list is not used until the flight is under gate control and the gate agent manually processes an upgrade.

The upgrade list sometimes also shows passengers who have been upgraded. Advance-cleared upgrades will not show on the gate list as cleared -- only passengers who clear after they check in will display with a green checkmark. Some paid Premium Plus fares may show as a confirmed upgrade to Premium Plus.

For both cases, display cleared upgrades will appear in alphabetic order and regardless if checked-in (as long as a seat has been assigned). Uncleared, waitlisted requests will appear in priority order.

Upgrades and Companions
Main article: Comprehensive Companion Upgrade Questions

The following applies ONLY to the invisible upgrade list.

Up to one companion on the same PNR as you is entitled to a CPU based on your status. However, because PNRs must consist only of passengers with the same itinerary, you will only be eligible for an upgrade if all passengers on your PNR have the same upgrade eligibility. For CPUs, you may extend your CPU status to one companion, and then the system will take the status of the lowest passenger on the reservation.

This is a little complicated. Here are some example PNRs:

1K and non-status companion: both are eligible to CPU as 1Ks
1K and two non-status companions: no one is eligible to CPU
1K, Gold, and non-status companion: the companion gets "1K CPU status" but the Gold cannot, so all three pax have Gold priority

The situation for instrument supported upgrades is slightly different. Waitlisting an instrument is also all-or-nothing on the PNR. Either all pax must have a waitlisted upgrade, or none may. If you have a waitlisted upgrade for a multiple passenger PNR, it will have the priority of the highest Premier status on the reservation. Thus:

1K and non-status companion, 2x PlusPoints applied: both are eligible as 1Ks with PlusPoints
1K and three non-status companions, 4x PlusPointsapplied: all four are eligible as 1Ks with PlusPoints

Multi-pax PNR upgrades are all or nothing - you may (or may not) be skipped over if there are fewer available seats than members in your party. If you do not like the treatment of your PNR, you may split it into smaller pieces at any time and be treated as smaller groups or individuals.


Now, what happens if you haven't cleared by check-in?

Multiple pax PNRs are not eligible for the (visible) upgrade standby list. If you wish to be added to the list, you must split the PNR at check-in. This often happens even if you didn't intend to. Note, however, that the hidden list is active until 3 hours before departure and splitting your PNR changes it. Therefore, you may wish to delay check-in until the airport. On the other hand, the tiebreak for the gate list is time of check-in, so you may wish to do so immediately. It depends on your situation.

Companions may be eligible for the upgrade standby list even after splitting the PNR, if it is split at check-in. The behavior of your companion(s) depends on whether the reservation had instruments applied. You may have one CPU companion, who will be waitlisted with your Premier priority but with an effective fare class below X (namely, last). If your companion was on a different PNR originally, or you want to designate a different companion, an airport agent can do that for you. Therefore, the list of 1Ks might be:

1) 1K on an S fare (you)
2) 1K on a K fare
3) Your no-status companion
4) Plat on a B fare

If your reservation had instruments applied, however, this process is different. In this case, if the reservation is auto-split at check-in, all travelers will have your Premier priority with their fare class. Say you are a 1K with three non-status companions, all with GPUs applied. Then you have

1) 1K on a V fare,PlusPoints applied
2..5) you (1K) and your three companions on W fares, ordered by sequence number
6) Plat on a Q fare, miles+cash applied


Frequently Asked Questions

I was #1 on the upgrade list, but someone else got the upgrade instead. What happened?
The most likely answer is that a higher status passenger or fare moved to your flight.

I'm #1 on the upgrade list but seats in the forward cabin keep disappearing. No one is being upgraded. What's going on?
There are two major sources of this. First, once your flight is within 24 hours of departure, it is eligible for SDC. Passengers with paid premium tickets can change to your flight and take seats. Many experienced flyers, especially FT members, underestimate the volatility of flight loads on the day of departure. Additionally, United usually makes a time-of-departure upsell offer available at check-in. Purchasers of this upgrade may often appear similar to last-minute revenue bookings.

I was waitlisted for I (or IN) class and did not clear. Am I now eligible for an upgrade?
"Upgrade" is the wrong terminology. You should be automatically placed on the standy list for business or first (whichever applies). Historically there have been problems with this occurring automatically, but that seems to have mostly been fixed. The exact priority compared to passengers who are waitlisted for an upgrade is unclear and a matter of some dispute. See discussion of GG ONESTANDBY lines 32-55.

Who are these people who are on standby lists for both Business and First?
These are non-revs (i.e., UA employees and family members) - either NRPS (non-rev positive space) or NRSA (non-rev standby). Non-revs can list for any cabin. NRPS are traveling on company business (e.g., deadheading pilots) and will clear into open space ahead of upgraders. NRSA travel standby and will be last in priority after all paid passengers. Why would someone be listed on both standby & upgrade list(s)?
Originally Posted by leftysauce
I want to note the distinction that this only applies to NRPS that book the specific cabin directly (eg. if NRPS are eligible for J, they will clear into J immediately if any J seat is available). Otherwise, if NRPS book a lower cabin, they will be waitlisted after all paid (cash+award) pax but before NRSA for upgrades to higher cabins.
Deadheading Pilots Will Have Upgrade Priority Over Elites
Can you have one companion on a different PNR?
Yes, but only at the airport/gate and some agents are not familiar with the process. They are at the bottom of your status group.

Related threads
Ever see (+X blocked) in booked column on upgrade list?
Consolidated "Waitlist for Award Seats Questions/Issues"
[Consolidated] Chance of upgrade clearing on my flight
Decoding the alphabet soup - fare buckets for UA

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Old Oct 7, 2023, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by RobOnLI
Not sure why this occurred so thought I'd post and see if anybody has some insight.

Booked on a DCA-EWR flight. Decided to standby for the flight before mine through the app about 3 hours before the flight. I'm #1 of ~15 on the standby list. As is always the case with DCA-EWR weather starts hampering things. I get to the gate for the now delayed flight about 40 minutes before the new boarding time and check-in (aka, "hey, I'm here, don't skip me please."). I stand near'ish to the podium and several others come up and ask to get on standby. The flight was Y2Q0W0 (I was booked in a middle class but it was zero or I would have just confirmed myself). At T-30 minutes from the new departure time three of us clear onto the flight. The lady who was #2 on the list was one of the walk-ups and said she's 1K. Not sure why I was ahead of her on the list but I would think it's because of fare class tie breaker.

After we clear we both actually appeared on the upgrade list (booked/checked in full so no chance). However, she appeared ahead of me! How can someone behind me on the standby list appear ahead of me on the upgrade list? She was booked in coach on the original flight as I saw her BP.

Just curious is all. I was just happy to get on the earlier flight.

Note: I was auto-assigned an exit row seat. My BP in the app never updated and only said "standby". Also, all three of us never showed cleared on the list - we just simply disappeared. Weird.

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Standby priority, probably was listed as SI as opposed to SV.
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by Lux Flyer
Standby priority, probably was listed as SI as opposed to SV.
Can you de-mystify “SI” an “SV” for someone who is mystified?
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
Can you de-mystify “SI” an “SV” for someone who is mystified?
Sure, as one should hopefully expect there are multiple priorities that someone can be listed as a standby that affects their position on the list (similar to the upgrade list prioritization of PR1..PR3, etc). For revenue standby (in addition to the numerous non-rev codes) the two main ones are SI and SV which stand for involuntary and voluntary. It's probably self-explanatory from there, but for sake of completion involuntary is used when the itinerary is affected by IRROPs to prioritize passengers who have been involuntarily displaced from their original itinerary due to delay/cancellation. The default option when listing a standby is that it lists as voluntary. The self-serve pathways (app/website/kiosks) are smart enough that if it is in the IRROPs rebooking pathway, it will automatically add SI to the listing entry so it goes on at that priority. If an agent is manually listing the standby they need to either manually add the SI to the command (if using SHARES) or change from the default of voluntary to involuntary (in the GUI) in order for it to list at that priority. Long story short, best to use the self-serve pathway when able, as it will ensure the proper priority is being applied to the request.
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PN vs. PZ w/Plus Points on Domestic Leg for 1K

Hey United folk, after reviewing the thread I wanted to make sure I've made the correct choice.
--Two pax on same PNR, my wife and I who share my 1K MM Status
--Flying SAN -> IAH -> LIM roundtrip
--Purchased Premium Plus ticket with R-fare on international flights, and B-fare on domestic segments (SAN<->IAH each way).
--Applied Plus Points to IAH-LIM in both directions to waitlist for Polaris
--DID NOT apply Plus Points and join waitlist for domestic segments, as Y/B/M instant upgrade not available.

Question: Did I make the correct decision to leave us on the CPU list for the domestic segments as 1Ks on a B-fare, or should I apply Plus Points to those segments as well? It's my understanding that PN opens before PZ, and that applying PPs will actually move us a level down on the waitlist looking for PZ space. Is that correct?

Thanks for the help!
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Old Oct 10, 2023, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelManKen
Question: Did I make the correct decision to leave us on the CPU list for the domestic segments as 1Ks on a B-fare, or should I apply Plus Points to those segments as well? It's my understanding that PN opens before PZ, and that applying PPs will actually move us a level down on the waitlist looking for PZ space. Is that correct?
You are correct -- PN will open before PZ. If you apply PlusPoints to that leg, your priority would drop.
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Old Oct 11, 2023, 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by jsloan
You are correct -- PN will open before PZ. If you apply PlusPoints to that leg, your priority would drop.
What happens if before CPU window opens, PZ and PN becomes available? Would those waitlisted for PZ with instruments clear ahead of 1Ks on Y/B/M fares?
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What happens if before CPU window opens, PZ and PN becomes available? Would those waitlisted for PZ with instruments clear ahead of 1Ks on Y/B/M fares?
If the 1K YBM don't pay attention to the inventory and get the upgrade pushed, yes.
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What happens if before CPU window opens, PZ and PN becomes available? Would those waitlisted for PZ with instruments clear ahead of 1Ks on Y/B/M fares?
Mostly a theoretical question these days.
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What happens if before CPU window opens, PZ and PN becomes available? Would those waitlisted for PZ with instruments clear ahead of 1Ks on Y/B/M fares?
Originally Posted by Kacee
Mostly a theoretical question these days.
Sadly true -- but I'm also not clear on whether or not we know the answer.

We know that you don't clear Y/B/M buyups outside of the CPU window until you hit the "Instant Upgrade" button. However, we also know that if you're inside the CPU window, you can clear them as CPUs. And, we have pretty good reason to believe, based upon the change-date trick, that people show up on the upgrade list on CPU-eligible flights from the date that they buy a ticket.

So I actually don't know -- would the PZ clear automatically? Or would this be one of the situations where UA would just sit there stuck and not upgrade anybody?

One thing we're sure of -- if both PN and PZ open, it's first-come, first-served for anyone who applies a new upgrade request, or can cancel and re-apply their existing request.
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Hi, was #2 on upgrade list to Polaris. Paid Premium Plus fare using Plus points. Person ahead of me cleared. Then I would have been next. Then noticed that two people cleared from economy into Premium Plus. While sitting already on the plane, one additional seats was not taken in Polaris and one of the two people suddenly jumped ahead of me and cleared into Polaris. So how does someone from economy trump paid Premium Plus fares ? I thought I read very carefully on United's website that paid Premium Plus takes precedence over everyone else. So how can someone from economy clear first into Premium Plus and then into Polaris ahead of everyone else?
I read somewhere on this discussion that GS even in eco have precedence (though not according to the website). To which I wonder - how would a GS fly economy class (when neither Biz nor premium plus was not sold out). Any idea?
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Old Oct 16, 2023, 6:18 am
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Originally Posted by kutzsche
Hi, was #2 on upgrade list to Polaris. Paid Premium Plus fare using Plus points. Person ahead of me cleared. Then I would have been next. Then noticed that two people cleared from economy into Premium Plus. While sitting already on the plane, one additional seats was not taken in Polaris and one of the two people suddenly jumped ahead of me and cleared into Polaris. So how does someone from economy trump paid Premium Plus fares ? I thought I read very carefully on United's website that paid Premium Plus takes precedence over everyone else. So how can someone from economy clear first into Premium Plus and then into Polaris ahead of everyone else?
I read somewhere on this discussion that GS even in eco have precedence (though not according to the website). To which I wonder - how would a GS fly economy class (when neither Biz nor premium plus was not sold out). Any idea?
My best guess is that the two people bought up to Premium Plus, which caused a ticket refare. At that point, one of the ranking criteria on the polaris waitlist put them ahead of you. Buy-ups within 24 hours before departure sometimes show as cleared upgrades on the upgrade list.
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Old Oct 16, 2023, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by kutzsche
...I thought I read very carefully on United's website that paid Premium Plus takes precedence over everyone else....
Except for GS, but doesn't sound like the case here.

Somebody probably saw they had no chance at Polaris and paid the day of departure buy-up.

The cruelest place on the waitlist can be #1 w/ 1 seat left. Everyone else below #1 thinks they're not going to get it - #1 does.
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Originally Posted by kutzsche
I read somewhere on this discussion that GS even in eco have precedence (though not according to the website).
That's correct. And it is what the website says, sort of -- it's not well-written. The thing is, if that's what happened, you wouldn't have been #2 on the Polaris list; they'd already have been ahead of you. The more likely explanation is that either (a) they bought up to PE, which then treated them as if they were a PE customer and they happened to have priority over you, or (b) they bought up to PE, got a good offer for Polaris, and bought up again.

It is also, unfortunately, the case that there seem to be occasional discrepancies between the list shown on the website and the list shown on the app, so it's possible that this person was always ahead of you but didn't look like it. Yes, that makes the lists more-or-less useless when this happens.

Originally Posted by kutzsche
To which I wonder - how would a GS fly economy class (when neither Biz nor premium plus was not sold out). Any idea?
They'd... buy a Y ticket?
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Old Oct 16, 2023, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by kutzsche
...To which I wonder - how would a GS fly economy class (when neither Biz nor premium plus was not sold out). Any idea?
The majority of GS probably ride up front due to employer/billable-client money, so sometimes they ride in coach when on their own dime. Their upgrade chances sometimes alleviate the pain.
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Old Oct 16, 2023, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by prometa
My best guess is that the two people bought up to Premium Plus, which caused a ticket refare. At that point, one of the ranking criteria on the polaris waitlist put them ahead of you. Buy-ups within 24 hours before departure sometimes show as cleared upgrades on the upgrade list.
Well, that's rather unlikely. So the person who got upgraded to PremiumPlus was indeed at #1 of the Eco to PremiumPlus upgrade list - but was not present at all on the Polaris upgrade list. The moment she cleared the upgrade to PP she suddenly showed cleared on the PP list and then ahead of me for the Polaris upgrade list. I then saw that about 15 mins later she suddenly cleared into Polaris (and an agent came to get her - and she was very surprised). Then, the next person cleared from eco to PP and took her original seat - and once cleared that guy qas ALSO ahead of me (our of nowhere!) On the Polaris upgrade list but there were no more Polaris seats available.
So two people that were originally on PP upgrade list (so they didn't pay for the upgrade) jumped ahead if everyone else the moment they cleared into PP. I don't believe they purchased the upgrade - the second guy was already on board seated in eco when he was reshuffled.
So if you ask me - I think UA has a bug in their system. This makes no sense.
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