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'Direct' flights are not the same as non-stop flights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
"A direct flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which may include a stop over at an intermediate point."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
"A direct flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which may include a stop over at an intermediate point."
Direct flight -- a flight booked as a flight between two airports BUT will involve a scheduled connection (landing/departure) at another airport. The same plane may or may not be used for each segment of the flight. {On UA, generally does not involve the same aircraft and may use a different type of airplane}
Why done
- So that the direct flight shows as a competitive option vs non-stops in third party online booking sites.
- Conservation of flight numbers, due to shortage of 4-digit flight numbers, this allows for more flights without using more flight numbers
With the change from credit being based on fare and not flight miles, there is no difference in earning method from direct flight vs non-stop
On PQFs, each segment counts as 1 PQF -- this is a change from how PQS was done
There can be seat assignment issues on direct flights especially if aircraft type is different.
Upgrades will not clear on direct flights in advance unless upgrade space is available on both flights. Gate upgrades will process based on the individual flights.
Related thread
Direct Flight Seat Selection Bug?
Selecting Seats/Upgrade Issues on Second Leg of "Direct" Flight Itinerary
Solution for seat assignment missing on direct flight
Upgrade Individual Flights on direct flight
Direct flights -- Why? What about Mileage Credit?
#61
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I've done it that way on ORD-HKG-SIN (IIRC). I used a GPU to upgrade the ORD-HKG (using UA.com) but it wanted another GPU to upgrade the HKG-SIN leg. I called and got that segment waitlisted (on the same GPU). So, there may be problems either way. Note, this was several years ago, the first year of GPUs (at least for us former CO folks) so YMMV
#62
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I've done it that way on ORD-HKG-SIN (IIRC). I used a GPU to upgrade the ORD-HKG (using UA.com) but it wanted another GPU to upgrade the HKG-SIN leg. I called and got that segment waitlisted (on the same GPU). So, there may be problems either way. Note, this was several years ago, the first year of GPUs (at least for us former CO folks) so YMMV
-FlyerBeek
#63
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Mileage credit for Direct flights
What's MP policy on flights that make a stop but retain flight number? Do they credit it as if it were a non-stop or do they give credit for the sum if the 2 flights? Can make a huge difference in mileage.
I fear former and believe that's what AA does.
How about for upgrades? Do they do them for the flights separately? Gets confusing esp when there's an equipment and aircraft type change
I fear former and believe that's what AA does.
How about for upgrades? Do they do them for the flights separately? Gets confusing esp when there's an equipment and aircraft type change
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What's MP policy on flights that make a stop but retain flight number? Do they credit it as if it were a non-stop or do they give credit for the sum if the 2 flights? Can make a huge difference in mileage.
I fear former and believe that's what AA does.
How about for upgrades? Do they do them for the flights separately? Gets confusing esp when there's an equipment and aircraft type change
I fear former and believe that's what AA does.
How about for upgrades? Do they do them for the flights separately? Gets confusing esp when there's an equipment and aircraft type change
If it is AAA-BBB-CCC and just happens to have the same flight number you get mileage for both legs.
If is AAA-CCC you can call to have them split it so it is AA-BBB-CCC.
Clear as mud?
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How do I know whether intention was to have it be AAA-CCC or AAA-BBB-CCC? My case is a IAH-DEN-ANC. They also have it frequently for NYC-ORD-SFO
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Also on the PNR (reservation) it just listed AAA-CCC. if it is AAA-BBB-CCC you will see separate flights on the PNR for each leg and they just happen to have the same flight number.
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Been a while since I was on one of these, but if AAA-CCC with a stop was only given 1 boarding pass or the second boarding pass stated was a continuing passenger.
Also on the PNR (reservation) it just listed AAA-CCC. if it is AAA-BBB-CCC you will see separate flights on the PNR for each leg and they just happen to have the same flight number.
Also on the PNR (reservation) it just listed AAA-CCC. if it is AAA-BBB-CCC you will see separate flights on the PNR for each leg and they just happen to have the same flight number.
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If it is listed as 2 separate flights then you should be good to go. They will post as 2 separate flights and CPU's will be based on 2 separate flights. They just happen to have the same flight number.
#69
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This happened to me last week on UA759, which is ORD - SEA, with a stop at SFO. I didn't realize it was a direct flight with 1 stop (shows up that way in my receipt) so I was surprised to see my account credited with 1720 miles, as opposed to roughly 2518 miles (so around 800 miles difference).
Had I read this thread earlier I'd have known to split the itinerary before travel - but now that it is after the fact, is there anything I can do at this point? Any advice?
Had I read this thread earlier I'd have known to split the itinerary before travel - but now that it is after the fact, is there anything I can do at this point? Any advice?
#70
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Which miles will be accredited?
I am returning SIN-ORD-EWR-TPA for which UA lists 11,033 miles.
I have a HKG layover between SIN & ORD which would make the real miles total 11,107.
SIN-ORD is one flight number with a stop at HKG.
My memory is shaky - I think UA in the past has credited me with the extra miles involved in a non-direct flight.
I know it is only 74 miles difference - but out of curiosity - is United going to credit me with 11,033 or 11,107?
I have a HKG layover between SIN & ORD which would make the real miles total 11,107.
SIN-ORD is one flight number with a stop at HKG.
My memory is shaky - I think UA in the past has credited me with the extra miles involved in a non-direct flight.
I know it is only 74 miles difference - but out of curiosity - is United going to credit me with 11,033 or 11,107?
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I am returning SIN-ORD-EWR-TPA for which UA lists 11,033 miles.
I have a HKG layover between SIN & ORD which would make the real miles total 11,107.
SIN-ORD is one flight number with a stop at HKG.
My memory is shaky - I think UA in the past has credited me with the extra miles involved in a non-direct flight.
I know it is only 74 miles difference - but out of curiosity - is United going to credit me with 11,033 or 11,107?
I have a HKG layover between SIN & ORD which would make the real miles total 11,107.
SIN-ORD is one flight number with a stop at HKG.
My memory is shaky - I think UA in the past has credited me with the extra miles involved in a non-direct flight.
I know it is only 74 miles difference - but out of curiosity - is United going to credit me with 11,033 or 11,107?
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While generally true, believe the larger amount can be earned depending on how it was booked.
If booked as a standard OW (or RT) SIN-TPA then yes, would be considered the direct flight mileage. But if the segments were separated somehow - either manually or through booking a multi-city specifying SIN-HKG and HKG-ORD separately (for example, selecting multi-city and inputting three destinations as SIN-HKG, HKG-ORD and ORD-TPA), should get the higher mileage amount of the separate nonstop mileage.
OP - if you really want the nonstop mileage, can call and ask an agent to separate these two segments. May have to HUCA (based on past reports) as some agents may not do this. Also, will likely be charged a bit extra in taxes as they are often calculated differently once separated. Also, If looking to upgrade, this can also change those odds as R space on the direct is often different than separately on the two point-to-point segments.
If booked as a standard OW (or RT) SIN-TPA then yes, would be considered the direct flight mileage. But if the segments were separated somehow - either manually or through booking a multi-city specifying SIN-HKG and HKG-ORD separately (for example, selecting multi-city and inputting three destinations as SIN-HKG, HKG-ORD and ORD-TPA), should get the higher mileage amount of the separate nonstop mileage.
OP - if you really want the nonstop mileage, can call and ask an agent to separate these two segments. May have to HUCA (based on past reports) as some agents may not do this. Also, will likely be charged a bit extra in taxes as they are often calculated differently once separated. Also, If looking to upgrade, this can also change those odds as R space on the direct is often different than separately on the two point-to-point segments.
#73
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United Miles Flown Ripoff
Tried to search on here for an answer to this question - no luck.
I am a 1K. On Friday flew from PBI to DEN via EWR. I always thought they would credit you the miles from PBI to EWR and then EWR to DEN, but in fact, because it is the same flight number it is considered one segment and they only credit you PBI-DEN. I called 1-800-UNITED1 and confirmed this is indeed the case.
If I had booked separate flight numbers, I would have gotten full mileage credit.
Relatively happy customer for lots of years, but I think this policy is absolutely ridiculous.
I am a 1K. On Friday flew from PBI to DEN via EWR. I always thought they would credit you the miles from PBI to EWR and then EWR to DEN, but in fact, because it is the same flight number it is considered one segment and they only credit you PBI-DEN. I called 1-800-UNITED1 and confirmed this is indeed the case.
If I had booked separate flight numbers, I would have gotten full mileage credit.
Relatively happy customer for lots of years, but I think this policy is absolutely ridiculous.
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Tried to search on here for an answer to this question - no luck.
I am a 1K. On Friday flew from PBI to DEN via EWR. I always thought they would credit you the miles from PBI to EWR and then EWR to DEN, but in fact, because it is the same flight number it is considered one segment and they only credit you PBI-DEN. I called 1-800-UNITED1 and confirmed this is indeed the case.
If I had booked separate flight numbers, I would have gotten full mileage credit.
Relatively happy customer for lots of years, but I think this policy is absolutely ridiculous.
I am a 1K. On Friday flew from PBI to DEN via EWR. I always thought they would credit you the miles from PBI to EWR and then EWR to DEN, but in fact, because it is the same flight number it is considered one segment and they only credit you PBI-DEN. I called 1-800-UNITED1 and confirmed this is indeed the case.
If I had booked separate flight numbers, I would have gotten full mileage credit.
Relatively happy customer for lots of years, but I think this policy is absolutely ridiculous.