DidItClear is showing a 60% overall upgrade rate for 1K's. I'm not saying the data is perfect, but it's a shade better than anecdotal, and it suggests less doom and gloom than (I think) you're suggesting. Although it certainly is a step down from the stats reported on udustats.

Are you able to show UG rate for flights to/from SFO?

There are wide variations in UG success depending on airport.

1. Management is clearly committed to the TOD program. This isn't changing.

2. My long-time experience with legacy UA was that food was consistently despicable. I never ate that crap, even in F, except on very long haul when I couldn't bring enough to take care of myself. If anything, I've found a slight improvement in food on sCO compared to sUA. You're not suggesting the food with sUA was anything other than sickening before the takeover, are you?

It can be done to a certain extent, but there's not quite enough data yet. In fact, diditclear just posted about this over at the main data project thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20513450-post46.html

I encourage you and everyone else to add data to make the site more useful.

In any case, my general comment stands: things have gotten worse since the overall stats on udustats, but not as insanely worse as people seem to think.

Here are the full stats.

From SFO:

• Sunday: GS 100% success (1 reports)
• Sunday: 1K 0% success (2 reports)
• Sunday: Gold 25% success (4 reports)
• Sunday: Platinum 100% success (1 reports)
• Sunday: Silver 0% success (1 reports)
• Monday: 1K 12% success (8 reports)
• Monday: Platinum 0% success (2 reports)
• Monday: Gold 0% success (2 reports)
• Monday: Silver 0% success (1 reports)
• Tuesday: 1K 60% success (5 reports)
• Tuesday: Platinum 100% success (1 reports)
• Tuesday: Gold 0% success (2 reports)
• Wednesday: 1K 0% success (5 reports)
• Wednesday: Platinum 0% success (1 reports)
• Wednesday: Gold 0% success (1 reports)
• Wednesday: Silver 0% success (3 reports)
• Thursday: 1K 100% success (4 reports)
• Thursday: Platinum 50% success (2 reports)
• Thursday: Gold 50% success (2 reports)
• Thursday: Silver 0% success (2 reports)
• Friday: GS 100% success (1 reports)
• Friday: Gold 0% success (1 reports)
• Saturday: 1K 33% success (6 reports)
• Saturday: Platinum 100% success (1 reports)
• Saturday: Gold 50% success (2 reports)
• Saturday: Silver 50% success (2 reports)

To SFO:

• Sunday: 1K 100% success (3 reports)
• Sunday: Gold 0% success (3 reports)
• Sunday: Silver 50% success (2 reports)
• Monday: 1K 75% success (4 reports)
• Monday: Platinum 100% success (2 reports)
• Monday: Gold 0% success (4 reports)
• Tuesday: 1K 100% success (2 reports)
• Tuesday: Gold 0% success (1 reports)
• Tuesday: Silver 100% success (1 reports)
• Wednesday: 1K 75% success (4 reports)
• Wednesday: Platinum 100% success (1 reports)
• Wednesday: Silver 0% success (1 reports)
• Thursday: 1K 40% success (5 reports)
• Thursday: Platinum 33% success (3 reports)
• Thursday: Gold 75% success (4 reports)
• Thursday: Silver 0% success (5 reports)
• Friday: GS 100% success (1 reports)
• Friday: 1K 25% success (4 reports)
• Friday: Platinum 0% success (1 reports)
• Friday: Gold 0% success (2 reports)
• Friday: Silver 0% success (2 reports)
• Saturday: 1K 60% success (5 reports)
• Saturday: Platinum 0% success (1 reports)
• Saturday: Gold 0% success (1 reports)
• Saturday: Silver 0% success (1 reports)

The data is probably only meaningful if we have at least 5-6 reports. Some takeaways are:

From SFO:

• Monday: 1K 12% success (8 reports)
• Tuesday: 1K 60% success (5 reports)
• Wednesday: 1K 0% success (5 reports)
• Saturday: 1K 33% success (6 reports)

To SFO:

• Thursday: 1K 40% success (5 reports)
• Thursday: Silver 0% success (5 reports)
• Saturday: 1K 60% success (5 reports)

I actually liked most of the food under PMUA (within the parameters of airline food). Of course, I think that on the whole, the PMCO food was an improvement. The problem is that today, we're at a point where the food is IMHO worse than it ever was before. At this point, even the greasy cheeseburger would be an improvement over several of the "meals" I've experienced.


UDUStats is a good comparison point for the effect the merger has had on 1K (and probably other elites) upgrade rates. I'm not sure how widely it's used these days--I do still enter my flights there, bringing down the averages I am sure --but I think it's a better picture of where things were pre-3/3.

I save my BPs in a shoebox (in envelopes by year--yes, I'm o.c.d.), and glancing back at BPs pre-3/3 is worth a sad chuckle. Even as a 1P, I sat up front more often than I do now, and my pre-merger 1K years are almost exclusively F or C.

Another factor to take into account is that 1Ks lost a ton of RPUs in the merger. I have to fly 150k just to earn what I did at 100k under PMUA. That's a 50% devaluation.

Ditto.

pmUA: I was usually in the top 5 on the upgrade list.
Post 3/3/2012: My "E" and "U" fares always placed me in positions 15 to 25 on the upgrade list. (SFO to IAD/BOS/EWR).
2013: My "E" and "U" fares now place me in positions 10 to 20. So although this is an "improvement" in my positioning, I am still rarely clearing upgrades.

We'd love to have your stats on DidItClear! No worries about bringing down old averages there

I am traveling SFO-OGG with Honneymoon couple from out of the country.
I can get immediate upgrade to first but don't have enough to upgrade us all. Thinking about upgrading them and hope for CPU, anyone have experience lately with CPU'sfrom SFO-OGG. BTW I used to NEVER use RPU always saved to give away but with unpredictability of CPUs have been using RPUs. On the other hand 100% CPU rate on AA already over 100,000 miles on AA.

you really think 5-6 reports is anything close to ... statistically significant?
there's always reporting bias in both IBB's and self-reported 'stats'

its just about as good as anecdotal evidence.

Better or worse than FT?

I suggest it has gotten insanely worse for some people and if you slice by airport combinations the data will show it.

In any study, small subgroups will be... small. Doesn't mean you can't say useful things about them. I used to run into this issue when working on neuroimaging studies, where subgroup sizes are sometimes that small. Some people just won't believe you even if you have the analysis that shows you have the necessary statistical power.

In any case, the overall data is supported by more than 600 reports, which is a lot better than scattered posts on FT, if you ask me.

[Edited to remove my confusion about this quote.]

In order for the averages to come out the way they have, it would have had to get less worse for some other group of people.

Incidentally, silver and gold have hovered around 30% and plat and 1K have hovered around 60% since the beginning of the project.

FWIW...Silver and I am 1/14 (Not all flights were CPU eligible as some were to HNL and a lot of UX but you get the point) (About to be 2/15 as I will almost definitely clear for a UX flight on Tuesday)...the 1 upgrade was a nice one from IAH-LAS on a 757

I do not expect more CPUs as a Silver, I've been able to get an aisle E+ at T-24 whenever I've wanted, almost always a bulkhead or exit row but I am on there the second I can check in to grab it

Overall, I cannot complain...I get it...I am at the bottom of the list and I just gladly accept the E+ at T-24

So here's how it turned out. I was first on the list with F shown as full from the time of automatic check-in at T-24 until I left the lounge to board the plane approx 40 minutes before flight time. When I got to the gate, lo and behold, I was on the cleared list. It looks like someone was going to miss their connection and they released the seat at the gate. By the way, the UG list was up to 39 or so by then. Too much drama for a CPU. I'll go back to using instruments.

Where's the logic in being able to see all 5 of those pax's BPs? I guess if they were all upgraded at the same time, and happen to all have their BPs out, and you just happened to be walking through the F cabin during boarding