Presidential Plus Card Changes
Jul 20, 2011, 11:58 pm
#31
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 1,225
Flex Elite Qualification Miles may not be applied beyond the 75K EQM threshold. Starting with the 2012 Elite program, Flexible EQMs can be redeemed to achieve up to Platinum Elite status (or equivalent). Flex EQMs earned prior to January 1, 2012, will continue to have no expiration date. The earning ratio remains the same (1,000 Flex EQMs for every $5,000 you spend with the Card).
Jul 21, 2011, 12:25 am
#32
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 15
I am a PPlus cardholder and also have the same question others asked (and registered for this forum just to re-ask) -- can you please confirm that there will be *NO* cap on the FEQM earned?
There are various rumors suggesting we could be capped at 5,000 FEQM (after hitting $25,000). I can live with all the other changes (though I'm not exactly happy about them), but the mileage cap could be a dealbreaker for me because I spend much more than that every year.
There are various rumors suggesting we could be capped at 5,000 FEQM (after hitting $25,000). I can live with all the other changes (though I'm not exactly happy about them), but the mileage cap could be a dealbreaker for me because I spend much more than that every year.
Last edited by ViewFromTheSky; Jul 21, 2011 at 12:42 am
Jul 21, 2011, 12:50 am
#33
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: LAX
Programs: United Two Million Miler; United 1K, Hilton Lifetime Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 573
So if I typically fly 75K per year, do I need to apply 25K of my flex miles first thing next year and then fly the 75 K in order to hit 100K? It is not that hard to game this system: just use your miles before you accrue the 75 K number. For someone that hardly flies but spends a lot of $$, you can apply 74 K of flex miles early in the year and fly 26 K miles to reach 100K
One more dumb question. Suppose I charge more than $375 K in a year, for arguments sake $500 K and earn 100 K FEQM's a year. Assume I never pay to fly (I just use points) and apply 75K FEQM's per year to get platinum status. After doing this 3 years straight do I at least get regular miles for the forfeited FEQM's or do they end up just evaporating?
One more dumb question. Suppose I charge more than $375 K in a year, for arguments sake $500 K and earn 100 K FEQM's a year. Assume I never pay to fly (I just use points) and apply 75K FEQM's per year to get platinum status. After doing this 3 years straight do I at least get regular miles for the forfeited FEQM's or do they end up just evaporating?
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Jul 21, 2011, 3:13 am
#34
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Houston (IAH,HOU) / Kāʻanapali (JHM,OGG)
Programs: UA GS 2MM, AA P 2MM, DL PM, US P, VS G, SPG LT P, HH D, HYATT P, PC P, AVIS PC, HERTZ PLAT
Posts: 970
One more dumb question. Suppose I charge more than $375 K in a year, for arguments sake $500 K and earn 100 K FEQM's a year. Assume I never pay to fly (I just use points) and apply 75K FEQM's per year to get platinum status. After doing this 3 years straight do I at least get regular miles for the forfeited FEQM's or do they end up just evaporating?
Jul 21, 2011, 3:49 am
#35
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,172
Remember: even if they confirm that today, don't sigh too much in relief; they can always cap it tomorrow.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:21 am
#36
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Jersey
Programs: UA Plat 1MM, Hyatt Plat, SPG Gold/SVN 3 Star Elite, ICG Plat Ambassador
Posts: 242
So if I typically fly 75K per year, do I need to apply 25K of my flex miles first thing next year and then fly the 75 K in order to hit 100K? It is not that hard to game this system: just use your miles before you accrue the 75 K number. For someone that hardly flies but spends a lot of $$, you can apply 74 K of flex miles early in the year and fly 26 K miles to reach 100K
Next year is looking like about 75K BIS miles, and was planning to add Flex EQMs to 1K. If I transfer them in January will United kick them back to me in December?
What a foolish move...My Amex Platinum stays and this one goes without repeal of these new restrictions.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:38 am
#37
Company Representative, United Airlines
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Chicago, Houston, or somewhere in between
Posts: 2,176
No limit on Flex EQMs that can be earned
Can you address the following quote from the website?
https://www.continental.com/web/en-U...splus/faq.aspx (1,000 Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) for every $5,000 spent up to $25,000)
Is there an actual mileage limit to the Flex EQMs now (you can only earn up to 5,000 flex miles)?
https://www.continental.com/web/en-U...splus/faq.aspx (1,000 Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) for every $5,000 spent up to $25,000)
Is there an actual mileage limit to the Flex EQMs now (you can only earn up to 5,000 flex miles)?
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Jul 21, 2011, 5:46 am
#38
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,814
Hi edcho, the information regarding the cap in Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) is incorrect. There is no limit on the numbe of Flex EQMs that Cardmembers can earn. The information on the website will be corrected soon.
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Jul 21, 2011, 6:57 am
#39
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Programs: UA MM 1K, AA MM Gold, Marriott LT Platinum
Posts: 3,255
So if I typically fly 75K per year, do I need to apply 25K of my flex miles first thing next year and then fly the 75 K in order to hit 100K? It is not that hard to game this system: just use your miles before you accrue the 75 K number. For someone that hardly flies but spends a lot of $$, you can apply 74 K of flex miles early in the year and fly 26 K miles to reach 100K
Shannon, thanks for the clarity on earning FEQM's (why cap earning them when it represents real income to Chase?). The issue is the restriction on redeeming them. I think we all get that you only want FEQM's used to get to Silver, Gold, or Platinum (but no higher). Could you please help those of us who spend a lot on the card and already earn 75,000 EQM's/year understand why this card is still a good value?
Jul 21, 2011, 7:45 am
#40
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: EWR, USA, AA 1MM Gold, United Premier Gold, Marriott Gold, Hilton Diamond, Emerald Club Executive
Posts: 1,476
I'm definitely going to have to re-evaluate my spending moving forward. I'm not sure I will get rid of the card, but my monthly $10K-$15K is likely to be reduced SIGNIFICANTLY and moved over to something like an Amex Surpass card where $20K each year gets you HH Gold. Also will move more dollars towards SPG Amex. I reckon I will reduce my spending on this card (if these new "enhancements" hold) by about 60% to 70%.
Bad Move UA...you guys have (had) a great product in the PP Card that was truly giving premium cards a run for their money and now have made it medicore at best...this coming from someone who charges EVERYTHING on this card...probably not anymore...
#FAIL
Bad Move UA...you guys have (had) a great product in the PP Card that was truly giving premium cards a run for their money and now have made it medicore at best...this coming from someone who charges EVERYTHING on this card...probably not anymore...
#FAIL
Jul 21, 2011, 7:58 am
#41
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PHL/EWR
Programs: UA, AA
Posts: 1,821
Of course, this assumes there still is a 1K in the new program, rather than just a 75K level and then a PP/GS level.
Jul 21, 2011, 7:58 am
#42
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 15
Hi edcho, the information regarding the cap in Flex Elite Qualification Miles (Flex EQMs) is incorrect. There is no limit on the numbe of Flex EQMs that Cardmembers can earn. The information on the website will be corrected soon.
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Shannon Kelly
Director, Customer Insights & Metrics
United Airlines
Jul 21, 2011, 8:01 am
#43
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Houston (Sugar Land/Booth)
Programs: UA 2 Million Miler, UA 1K, HHonors Lifetime Diamond
Posts: 146
Thanks a Lot
Now that I just got the card and changed all my auto-pay items over to the PP card, I'm going to have to change them back to my AMEX Plat.
This is a serious devaluation of any benefit that this card had. I'm going to stick with my AMEX plat and suck up the lounge fee (less the $200 credit from AMEX).
While I'm at it Chase, your website for purchases just really is pathetic. I'll be looking forward to getting my AMEX website back anyway.
Looks like they don't want my 20K monthly spend, I'll take it to somebody that does.
This is a serious devaluation of any benefit that this card had. I'm going to stick with my AMEX plat and suck up the lounge fee (less the $200 credit from AMEX).
While I'm at it Chase, your website for purchases just really is pathetic. I'll be looking forward to getting my AMEX website back anyway.
Looks like they don't want my 20K monthly spend, I'll take it to somebody that does.
Jul 21, 2011, 8:15 am
#44
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 690
Exactly. I'm guessing the rollover to or requal for 1K doesn't happen until 100K real EQMs are in the bank. You could have 105K EQMS and still be a plat if 10K of those are from the card.
Of course, this assumes there still is a 1K in the new program, rather than just a 75K level and then a PP/GS level.
Of course, this assumes there still is a 1K in the new program, rather than just a 75K level and then a PP/GS level.
Jul 21, 2011, 8:24 am
#45
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP, B6 Mosaic, UA Platinum, others
Posts: 1,270
So, clarification on the use of FEQMs:
Let's say I've got 20k of FEQM. December 30th, I've got 150k EQM, so I can't use them... but January 1st, I have 0 EQM. Can I now put the 20k of FEQM into my empty account and then fly 80k and have 1K?
Let's say I've got 20k of FEQM. December 30th, I've got 150k EQM, so I can't use them... but January 1st, I have 0 EQM. Can I now put the 20k of FEQM into my empty account and then fly 80k and have 1K?