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Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32993705)
It appears as though the Moderna vaccine is effective against the SA and Brazil strains, according to Moderna, however the UK won't receive any of those vaccines till April.
The worrying thing however is the supply it seems. It is clear that the UK has the capacity to vaccinate well over 500k people a day, but supply might be an issue. If supply becomes increases significantly, or at least if we get another two suppliers (possible if J&J and Novavax trials are successful), then I think we could easily vaccinate 4 - 5 million per week. |
Do not confound vaccinate vs inoculate a shot. A vaccination requires two inoculations.
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 32993742)
Only 220k today though must be the weekend effect, maybe the snow caused a blip?
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 32993742)
Only 220k today though must be the weekend effect, maybe the snow caused a blip?
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32994023)
Yeh I think you're right. Last Sunday (18th Jan) it was 208k I think. So it seems like less vaccinations happen on Sunday generally.
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From the Mirror: Hotel quarantine plans 'will stop Brits holidaying abroad for a year', experts fear
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...658#r3z-addoor |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32994184)
From the Mirror: Hotel quarantine plans 'will stop Brits holidaying abroad for a year', experts fear
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...658#r3z-addoor Now Dailymail saying Brazil and SA hotel quarantine to be implemented first with the rest coming later, I guess this is to keep the fear factor level high! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ine-plans.html Also the vaccine war is really starting to get ugly, EU threatening to block exports of vaccines (this will hurt UK for Pfizer, not Astra as that is mostly made in UK) and Germany claiming Astra Zeneca only 8% effective over 65's and Astra Zeneca denying this completely. Pfizer looks like amazing results on the field in Israel. |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32992707)
Good bye 2021 travel and likely a significant amount of 2022. Seems like government is intent on killing off the travel and aviation industry.
(I have a new job, btw, different industry...) |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 32994215)
It's getting better.
Now Dailymail saying Brazil and SA hotel quarantine to be implemented first with the rest coming later, I guess this is to keep the fear factor level high! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ine-plans.html Also the vaccine war is really starting to get ugly, EU threatening to block exports of vaccines (this will hurt UK for Pfizer, not Astra as that is mostly made in UK) and Germany claiming Astra Zeneca only 8% effective over 65's and Astra Zeneca denying this completely. Pfizer looks like amazing results on the field in Israel. |
Originally Posted by stut
(Post 32994227)
As someone who lost his job in the travel industry last year, I can confirm that it was very much already in tatters before the talk of quarantine hotels.
(I have a new job, btw, different industry...) They just make up rules as they go, often based on nothing. It's a shambles and its people like you in the travel industry who have already lost their job or are about to. |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32994235)
Germany claiming AZ/Oxford only 8%?? LOL - we always knew these political games were going to happen. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Originally Posted by Internaut
(Post 32994355)
Well Britain bet the farm on AZ/Oxford. I guess we’ll know in 8-10 weeks...
tbh the report is extremely suspect. Unless the MHRA in the UK has made the biggest error ever, the data clearly shows much higher effectiveness than 8% in over 65s. Had it been that low it simply would not have been approved for that age segment. From the point of view of Germany and others in the EU, I suspect their time would be better served asking why the EMA is taking so long, as of two weeks ago they hadn’t even started the approval process for the AZ vaccine. |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32994366)
so did the EU. It ordered more AZ vaccine than any other one.
tbh the report is extremely suspect. Unless the MHRA in the UK has made the biggest error ever, the data clearly shows much higher effectiveness than 8% in over 65s. Had it been that low it simply would not have been approved for that age segment. From the point of view of Germany and others in the EU, I suspect their time would be better served asking why the EMA is taking so long, as of two weeks ago they hadn’t even started the approval process for the AZ vaccine. |
COVID is getting really political really fast. California lockdowns released after Newsom is in trouble, no longer stay at home order. I wonder if something similar will happen in the UK with regard to lockdowns. And the Netherlands has a 3 night in a row riot scene due to its curfew (still never understood the point of a curfew during lockdown, its not like you can go clubbing!)
The data is looking good though and it is winter, so I don't see too much activity before early March, but the Times is rumouring Primary schools to start again after 15 Feb. Also yes the data doesn't make sense, yes you can have differences in effectiveness over ages but suddenly collapsing to 8% with the same vaccine just because you are older? Come on now. |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32994235)
Germany claiming AZ/Oxford only 8%?? LOL - we always knew these political games were going to happen. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 32994437)
COVID is getting really political really fast. California lockdowns released after Newsom is in trouble, no longer stay at home order. I wonder if something similar will happen in the UK with regard to lockdowns. And the Netherlands has a 3 night in a row riot scene due to its curfew (still never understood the point of a curfew during lockdown, its not like you can go clubbing!)
The data is looking good though and it is winter, so I don't see too much activity before early March, but the Times is rumouring Primary schools to start again after 15 Feb. Also yes the data doesn't make sense, yes you can have differences in effectiveness over ages but suddenly collapsing to 8% with the same vaccine just because you are older? Come on now.
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32994366)
so did the EU. It ordered more AZ vaccine than any other one.
tbh the report is extremely suspect. Unless the MHRA in the UK has made the biggest error ever, the data clearly shows much higher effectiveness than 8% in over 65s. Had it been that low it simply would not have been approved for that age segment. From the point of view of Germany and others in the EU, I suspect their time would be better served asking why the EMA is taking so long, as of two weeks ago they hadn’t even started the approval process for the AZ vaccine. https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...ore-christmas/ |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 32994392)
In addition to this - why the EU took so long to approve the pfizer vaccine as well. The vaccine was in part developed in Germany by BioNTech, but it took the EMA 3 weeks longer than the UK and 10 days than the US to approve it.
IIRC the Pfizer vaccine was initially just given batch-by-batch approval, before later getting a general approval. I believe that the Oxford / AZ vaccine is still on batch-by-batch approval in the UK (including with some batches getting rejected, which makes the supply chain lumpy), until their GMP / QA gets the nod to do all the checking themselves so they can move to full approval. |
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