https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...mpression=true

good piece about vaccine passport mess

I think that's a bit blown out of proportion. Certainly some cases yes, but those cases (that aren't using up what's come out of the freezer and has to be used that day - I almost got mine that way very early on) make the news and/or are relayed by friends and become legend (just like we hear more on here about bad flights than good ones!) And as the tiers are progressed through, some counties in some states are being given the instruction to vaccinate as many people as possible.

I do find it a bit strange that the US is pretty rock solid on the 3 / 4 weeks to second/booster shot for Pfizer / Moderna respectively. I think CWS pointed out that it would be better if they had delayed the second shot for most in order to get something into the arms of more people earlier! I think the science is very solid on that, and has been for a while, and yet the old plan is still being followed. The UK plan to delay it to 12 weeks (IIRC) is saving lives.

rb211.

as a lawyer what is your opinion of the question I noted a few posts above?

I don't know the science but Isn't the second shot required within a specific time frame for effectiveness? Having said that, here in Fla the local mass vaccination sites are moving to the J&J vaccine.

i did a test booking and all you needed was your name and date of birth and they clearly said no status (residency) required just an ID. So any tourist would be able to do that.

I believe in the uk you need NHS number ?

I have the say the US is looking quite impressive now, they are opening up much quicker than we are, they say no testing + quarantine required for vaccinated people (not the case here), they are vaccinating very quickly, you can choose which one upon booking, etc.

not necessarily. The az vaccine in the Uk for example was approved on the basis of the second jab by 12 weeks - simply because there was no data for beyond that period. It doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work if given at 14 or 20 weeks. In fact for many vaccines, efficacy often improves with a longer gap between jabs.

I think hearing you are still on schedule (so far) with the roadmap is very good news.

Yawn, change the record. The decisions to suspend in Germany was made by an independent regulatory authority and nothing to do with Merkel.

Funny enough you haven’t mentioned Canada’s more recent and similar restriction on use and the US authorities negative comments on the trial data. Perhaps they don’t fit with your usual Brexit narrative?

I think Silver Fox was referring in part to the statement by Macron about the AZ vaccine being quasi ineffective on over 65s.

Also I think it was the head of the Italian regulatory authority who said suspension there was not due to data, but rather a political one because others in Europe had done it. Tbh it would make more sense if the EMA handled these issues on an EU level rather than national bodies making such decisions.

Care for sources?

Of course.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coro...tive-older-pe/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2B80KK

MHRA considering restricting AZ vaccine for under 30’s

Not great, not terrible.

I was painting a picture of the scope of fundamental human rights our lawyer friend believes are being trampled over by the the UK government. Putting things in perspective, if you will.

Declarations on human rights tend to be light on haircuts, pubs and overseas trips.


Fine. But I think you maybe you missed the detailed interpretations adopted by the Human Rights Committee OHCR

The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

And on the basis that by the time under 30s are offered other vaccines will be in play (Novavax and Moderna), it may be quite reasonable to target specific vaccines to certain age groups.

Whichever particular spin or label you want to put on it, it still doesn't detract from the fact that this is a vision that is simply not dominant in the general public.