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DaveS Mar 26, 2021 12:07 pm

And here is today's data:

Cases 6,187 (4,802 last Friday)
Deaths 70 (101)
Patients admitted 354 (497 on the 15th)
Patients on ventilation 630 (879 on the 18th)

Inevitably the 7 day rolling average is now 6.4% up on the previous 7 days.

DYKWIA Mar 26, 2021 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 33127516)
A mine of information as ever, CWS. Thanks. Quick question: can you mix and match the systems? If you have had your first jab via the GP-centred system, do you have to wait until they send you an invite for the second inoculation or can you book it yourself via the centralised system?


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33127532)
Yes, in fact I would advise you to do this, particularly if the national website gives you a decent date (by your own definition). It may only work if you have had AZ though, since the Pfizer dates are fraught with shipping and storage complexities.

I tried this approach, but I was knocked back saying I needed to book through the GP surgery. I had Pfizer.

Cathay1101 Mar 26, 2021 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33128439)
I travelled out of LHR yesterday. I spent half an hour wandering around the departure and arrival areas so I could check on Collinson's testing location and to see if anyone cared enough to look at my prison release form. No one cared to check for anything.

Hilarious. We're quarantining at the moment on our way home to Europe and apparently were meant to be receiving calls each day to verify we were following the rules. The poor woman was unsurprised to hear that this was our first call and were on our first jolly out and about on Day 5 through Test to Release!

Poor woman - she reckons most people are just getting family to answer the phone if they're breaking the rules as they only ask for your surname and DoB and can't do anything if they get the details correct. Apparently she'd referred heaps of cases to the cops of repeated missed calls but, in London at least, they don't have the resources to follow up and people know it too. I don't know why people can't wait the five days - gave me heaps of time to catch up on emails and there's hardly anything open outside anyway!

What a mess. To think that this time last year I was in HKG and they'd already established a sophisticated quarantine system complete with GPS wristband ...and the UK still can't get a phone call sorted a year on.

DYKWIA Mar 26, 2021 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay1101 (Post 33128491)
What a mess. To think that this time last year I was in HKG and they'd already established a sophisticated quarantine system complete with GPS wristband ...and the UK still can't get a phone call sorted a year on.

It's only if an issue if people break quarantine. And as you say, anybody could answer the phone if need be. Hopefully, a high majority of people are following the rules.

Silver Fox Mar 26, 2021 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay1101 (Post 33128491)
Hilarious. We're quarantining at the moment on our way home to Europe and apparently were meant to be receiving calls each day to verify we were following the rules. The poor woman was unsurprised to hear that this was our first call and were on our first jolly out and about on Day 5 through Test to Release!

Poor woman - she reckons most people are just getting family to answer the phone if they're breaking the rules as they only ask for your surname and DoB and can't do anything if they get the details correct. Apparently she'd referred heaps of cases to the cops of repeated missed calls but, in London at least, they don't have the resources to follow up and people know it too. I don't know why people can't wait the five days - gave me heaps of time to catch up on emails and there's hardly anything open outside anyway!

What a mess. To think that this time last year I was in HKG and they'd already established a sophisticated quarantine system complete with GPS wristband ...and the UK still can't get a phone call sorted a year on.

Two words: Dido Harding.

Cathay1101 Mar 26, 2021 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 33128500)
It's only if an issue if people break quarantine. And as you say, anybody could answer the phone if need be. Hopefully, a high majority of people are following the rules.

Given the government estimated some 20,000 are out and about breaking it at any one time, I think you might be needing those wristbands!


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 33128501)
Two words: Dido Harding.

She should stick to the soppy ballads, hey?

JEM_NYC Mar 26, 2021 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33128471)
And here is today's data:

Cases 6,187 (4,802 last Friday)
Deaths 70 (101)
Patients admitted 354 (497 on the 15th)
Patients on ventilation 630 (879 on the 18th)

Inevitably the 7 day rolling average is now 6.4% up on the previous 7 days.

The uptick in cases is discouraging, particularly given the vaccination rate in the UK. We are seeing similar increases in parts of the US - the NYC metro area is doing particularly badly. Is there any clarification on causes? The two most common reasons I hear are lockdown fatigue and variants, but there seems to be precious little data.

S_W_S Mar 26, 2021 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 33128475)
I tried this approach, but I was knocked back saying I needed to book through the GP surgery. I had Pfizer.

As far as I'm aware the national service is only offering AZ. My AZ jab that was done by the GP service yesterday is now in the system, and the NHS site has just let me book a second dose for June.

Misco60 Mar 26, 2021 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by JEM_NYC (Post 33128515)
The uptick in cases is discouraging, particularly given the vaccination rate in the UK. We are seeing similar increases in parts of the US - the NYC metro area is doing particularly badly. Is there any clarification on causes? The two most common reasons I hear are lockdown fatigue and variants, but there seems to be precious little data.

In the UK, the rise seems to be driven by the reopening of schools, leading to increased infection rates among 5-15 year-olds, who, in turn, infect their as-yet-unvaccinated parents.

Hospitalisations and deaths are down, which is good, but a sustained rise in cases increases the chances of a new variant emerging, which is something the government is rightly determined to avoid.

DaveS Mar 26, 2021 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33128527)
In the UK, the rise seems to be driven by the reopening of schools, leading to increased infection rates among 5-15 year-olds, who, in turn, infect their as-yet-unvaccinated parents.

Hospitalisations and deaths are down, which is good, but a sustained rise in cases increases the chances of a new variant emerging, which is something the government is rightly determined to avoid.

One can only speculate about the cause of the rise in cases and it is most likely a bit premature to worry about a few days or even a weeks data yet. I am not convinced about the link to schools. Well not at infant/primary level anyway. We all know that children will not follow the social distancing rules and they do not wear masks. I think if schools were a big problem, then we would have seen major outbreaks in almost every school before Christmas and last spring.

kingstontoon Mar 26, 2021 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33128439)
I travelled out of LHR yesterday. I spent half an hour wandering around the departure and arrival areas so I could check on Collinson's testing location and to see if anyone cared enough to look at my prison release form. No one cared to check for anything.

I've booked on the BA to Newcastle on Monday just for a little jolly away (coming back to London on the train) but I'll also take the opportunity to see how things are operating at LHR, what questions are being asked etc. Honestly can't wait to get on a plane again!

8420PR Mar 26, 2021 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay1101 (Post 33128491)
What a mess. To think that this time last year I was in HKG and they'd already established a sophisticated quarantine system complete with GPS wristband ...and the UK still can't get a phone call sorted a year on.

The Police said today they have issued 508 fines by forces in England and three in Wales to people failing to self-isolate after arriving from a country on the Government quarantine list up to March 14. Ultimately it is based on the honor system (i.e. people doing the right thing), and you have to have some very bad luck to get caught. I don't know anyone that completed it by the book for the full 14/10 days, with various justifications given.

corporate-wage-slave Mar 26, 2021 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33128527)
In the UK, the rise seems to be driven by the reopening of schools, leading to increased infection rates among 5-15 year-olds, who, in turn, infect their as-yet-unvaccinated parents.

Hospitalisations and deaths are down, which is good, but a sustained rise in cases increases the chances of a new variant emerging, which is something the government is rightly determined to avoid.


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33128554)
One can only speculate about the cause of the rise in cases and it is most likely a bit premature to worry about a few days or even a weeks data yet. I am not convinced about the link to schools. Well not at infant/primary level anyway. We all know that children will not follow the social distancing rules and they do not wear masks. I think if schools were a big problem, then we would have seen major outbreaks in almost every school before Christmas and last spring.

HMG isn't certain either. There are some schools in there, a bit of Scotland, and we should be wary of reading too much into a day or two of data. The 14 day figure still fell slightly today to 115.6 per 100k (a week ago 116.7), the 7 day is 59.6 compared to 56.1. Next week should be interesting due to the schools being on Easter break.

13901 Mar 26, 2021 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33128396)
I think we know the answer is yes for nearly all but I guess there is the possibility some are connecting from other countries.

I agree with you. I'm 100% opposed to the travel restrictions but the lack of enforcement is pretty laughable. They are presumably going to have an interesting conversation at UKBF on return, however.

Based on what I’m told, the overwhelming majority of people are just checked to ensure they have the paperwork. It still takes three hours and no one actually looks at what you’ve got as long as you have something. A bit like police checkpoints in Tajikistan, with the exception that at least there they count the bribes.

NewbieRunner Mar 26, 2021 2:09 pm

'Stay-local' rule in Wales to end from Saturday
 

"Stay-local" rules will lift in Wales from Saturday [27 March] and unrestricted travel within its borders will be allowed.

Self-contained tourist accommodation will also be able to open on Saturday.

But non-essential travel to and from other UK nations will be banned for at least two weeks.

The move by the Welsh government will also see six people from two households able to meet up outside, an increase from the current four-person limit.

Organised outdoor activities and sports for under-18s can resume, and libraries and archives will be able to reopen their doors.

Rules will also allow a limited opening of outdoor areas of some historical places and gardens.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-56522989


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