Apr 5, 2014, 2:03 am
Last edit by: LH4116
Starting 1 June 2014 Miles&Smiles earning/burning rates are changing.
Here are some of the key changes:
Earning:
- TK earning rates depend on the fare class
- All TK fares will earn, including promotions
- Classic plus members earn more on Comfort and Business class fares
- Elite and elite plus members earn less on business class (175% for C & D or 160% for K & J, previously 200% regardless of booking class) and less on A comfort class booking class (125% instead of 150%) and more on U,O comfort class booking class (160% instead of 150%)
- Domestic flights earn more
Burning:
- High/low seasons have been abandoned
- Burning rates are the same for TK and Star Alliance carriers
- TK promise more capacity controlled award tickets
- One way tickets available at half the rate
- Regions have been revised
- Companion award is now 75% the cost of a regular award, previously 50%
- Miles needed for awards slightly increased (e.g. Europe2 to Far East in Business return: old: 70,000 now 90,000 miles)
Upgrades:
- All TK economy/comfort fares can be now be used for upgrades
- Economy > Business upgrades require half the miles of a full award
Award table has been updated and revised (no changes in some regions, significant changes in others).
What we don't know:
- Will status qualification levels change?
- Will Star Alliance earning rates change?
More info: http://www.new-milesandsmiles.com/
Here are some of the key changes:
Earning:
- TK earning rates depend on the fare class
- All TK fares will earn, including promotions
- Classic plus members earn more on Comfort and Business class fares
- Elite and elite plus members earn less on business class (175% for C & D or 160% for K & J, previously 200% regardless of booking class) and less on A comfort class booking class (125% instead of 150%) and more on U,O comfort class booking class (160% instead of 150%)
- Domestic flights earn more
Burning:
- High/low seasons have been abandoned
- Burning rates are the same for TK and Star Alliance carriers
- TK promise more capacity controlled award tickets
- One way tickets available at half the rate
- Regions have been revised
- Companion award is now 75% the cost of a regular award, previously 50%
- Miles needed for awards slightly increased (e.g. Europe2 to Far East in Business return: old: 70,000 now 90,000 miles)
Upgrades:
- All TK economy/comfort fares can be now be used for upgrades
- Economy > Business upgrades require half the miles of a full award
Award table has been updated and revised (no changes in some regions, significant changes in others).
What we don't know:
- Will status qualification levels change?
- Will Star Alliance earning rates change?
More info: http://www.new-milesandsmiles.com/
Significant updates to the M&S programme starting 1 June, good or bad?
Jul 2, 2014, 12:40 am
#301
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 602
I agree. Using miles for TK awards in Y is just a waste. However, with the old award cost of 70K miles + 3.000kr. in fees, return from Scandinavia to "Far East" in C was a pretty good deal.
Last edited by aulrik; Jul 3, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Jul 2, 2014, 3:46 am
#303
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CPH
Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG
Posts: 11,095
The number I quoted are for return. I checked the figures back in May before the devaluation because I wanted to use it - however there are only 2 Y left for the route I wanted so I gave up.
Jul 2, 2014, 3:11 pm
#304
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 97
Well, this is very confusing. $175 each way is far less than the $735 that Nacho quoted. I cannot make a commitment to this program unless I have a clear idea of what kind of value I am going to get. I did sign up, but the few points that I have will not allow me to do a dummy booking in order to see the taxes and fees.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:57 am
#305
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CPH
Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG
Posts: 11,095
You ought to be able to see. If you are in doubt, call their call center free using skype. Another way to see how much they are going to charge is to try to see availabilities at ita matrix - they do state the tax and fees.
If you want cheap YQ, go for SAS - they don't charge YQ for their own metal award flights. So from Scandinavia to US you are paying less than 100 EUR for tax.
If you want cheap YQ, go for SAS - they don't charge YQ for their own metal award flights. So from Scandinavia to US you are paying less than 100 EUR for tax.
Jul 3, 2014, 12:11 pm
#306
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUN
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 11,230
Jul 3, 2014, 2:19 pm
#307
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 97
Maybe Nacho's numbers were for a total return trip then. It seems like about $700 US is what extras come to for Europe-Japan. That is right in line with Aeroplan, another horrible mileage program. I hope United never decides to emulate these airlines.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:54 pm
#308
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CPH
Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG
Posts: 11,095
Yes of course it's for return trip - it wasn't possible to book OW award ticket with M&S before the 'enhancement'!
Jul 3, 2014, 10:32 pm
#309
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 97
"Of course" is a bit harsh Nacho, since your claim of taxes and fees being equal to ticket cost, does not add up. Your number is HALF the cost of a ticket. I don't know all the details of the Turkish program, or I would not be here asking questions, of course...
Jul 4, 2014, 1:16 am
#310
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 602
I have always been able to book one-way award tickets with TK for the 3 years or so I have been a member. Don't know if it has anything to do with where you are traveling from or your status level though?
Jul 9, 2014, 4:10 pm
#311
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CPH
Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG
Posts: 11,095
I have yet to find 5 award seats to Hong Kong from CPH. Basically I can't use them during the old time with the capacity controlled seats because both cities have the various black out dates. IST-HKG has seats but then CPH-IST is solid booked.
Jul 10, 2014, 1:39 am
#312
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 602
Yea, same issue to OSL, even though it seems to have been gradually better over the last 6 months. I have 3-4 return award trips in C, between Scandinavia and "Far East" a year, and for the last half year or so the availability have been decent, even when booked only 2-3 weeks before departure.
Jul 22, 2014, 8:40 pm
#313
Suspended
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 704
TK is now introducing a new 2 tier redemption level system. I receved a very interesting email from TK and Garanti bank telling me that there are no bad news abouth MS,because if you have the Garanti credit card,like 95percent of TKs Turkish status customers,then there is no difference to redemption levels.In reality this is a 2 tier redemption system,one for Turks(and me :-)),the other for foreigners.
Please,mod,this should ofcs not be construed as criticism of TK,God forbid!!!
Combined with the fact that they are promising better availability,and the CC campains are getter better and better,I personally find it rather atractive,doubt if I would have felt the same if I had been buying full fare C tickets as a non Turkey based customer though,but thats NO critisism!!
BTW : for us first class members the guaranteed seat redemption levels are hardly much more than the other,and way less than what you other guys need for limited capacity,love TK !!!
Please,mod,this should ofcs not be construed as criticism of TK,God forbid!!!
Combined with the fact that they are promising better availability,and the CC campains are getter better and better,I personally find it rather atractive,doubt if I would have felt the same if I had been buying full fare C tickets as a non Turkey based customer though,but thats NO critisism!!
BTW : for us first class members the guaranteed seat redemption levels are hardly much more than the other,and way less than what you other guys need for limited capacity,love TK !!!
Last edited by geirfugl; Jul 22, 2014 at 9:10 pm
Jul 23, 2014, 1:01 am
#314
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 602
TK is now introducing a new 2 tier redemption level system. I receved a very interesting email from TK and Garanti bank telling me that there are no bad news abouth MS,because if you have the Garanti credit card,like 95percent of TKs Turkish status customers,then there is no difference to redemption levels.In reality this is a 2 tier redemption system,one for Turks(and me :-)),the other for foreigners.
Please,mod,this should ofcs not be construed as criticism of TK,God forbid!!!
Combined with the fact that they are promising better availability,and the CC campains are getter better and better,I personally find it rather atractive,doubt if I would have felt the same if I had been buying full fare C tickets as a non Turkey based customer though,but thats NO critisism!!
BTW : for us first class members the guaranteed seat redemption levels are hardly much more than the other,and way less than what you other guys need for limited capacity,love TK !!!
Please,mod,this should ofcs not be construed as criticism of TK,God forbid!!!
Combined with the fact that they are promising better availability,and the CC campains are getter better and better,I personally find it rather atractive,doubt if I would have felt the same if I had been buying full fare C tickets as a non Turkey based customer though,but thats NO critisism!!
BTW : for us first class members the guaranteed seat redemption levels are hardly much more than the other,and way less than what you other guys need for limited capacity,love TK !!!
Jul 24, 2014, 5:49 am
#315
Suspended
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 704
Not sure I get you here, except that you do not criticize TK :-). Will TK start offering more award seats for Turks than for foreigners? Or will Turks earn more miles on same booking class than a foreigner? (I hope none of this is true, but it's TK so it wouldn't surprise me).
The acrual is still the same,but it would not surprise me if there will be good news comming.The text of the mail I received says that there are "no bad news abouth MS",so it would not surprise me if extra acrual is forthcoming in the future,quite possibly in the form of some sort of bonus miles for customers with Garanti Bank TK afiliated cards,but this is ofcs only speculation,but highly logical given the wording of their message.
Last edited by geirfugl; Jul 24, 2014 at 6:08 am