Apr 5, 2014, 2:03 am
Last edit by: LH4116
Starting 1 June 2014 Miles&Smiles earning/burning rates are changing.
Here are some of the key changes:
Earning:
- TK earning rates depend on the fare class
- All TK fares will earn, including promotions
- Classic plus members earn more on Comfort and Business class fares
- Elite and elite plus members earn less on business class (175% for C & D or 160% for K & J, previously 200% regardless of booking class) and less on A comfort class booking class (125% instead of 150%) and more on U,O comfort class booking class (160% instead of 150%)
- Domestic flights earn more
Burning:
- High/low seasons have been abandoned
- Burning rates are the same for TK and Star Alliance carriers
- TK promise more capacity controlled award tickets
- One way tickets available at half the rate
- Regions have been revised
- Companion award is now 75% the cost of a regular award, previously 50%
- Miles needed for awards slightly increased (e.g. Europe2 to Far East in Business return: old: 70,000 now 90,000 miles)
Upgrades:
- All TK economy/comfort fares can be now be used for upgrades
- Economy > Business upgrades require half the miles of a full award
Award table has been updated and revised (no changes in some regions, significant changes in others).
What we don't know:
- Will status qualification levels change?
- Will Star Alliance earning rates change?
More info: http://www.new-milesandsmiles.com/
Here are some of the key changes:
Earning:
- TK earning rates depend on the fare class
- All TK fares will earn, including promotions
- Classic plus members earn more on Comfort and Business class fares
- Elite and elite plus members earn less on business class (175% for C & D or 160% for K & J, previously 200% regardless of booking class) and less on A comfort class booking class (125% instead of 150%) and more on U,O comfort class booking class (160% instead of 150%)
- Domestic flights earn more
Burning:
- High/low seasons have been abandoned
- Burning rates are the same for TK and Star Alliance carriers
- TK promise more capacity controlled award tickets
- One way tickets available at half the rate
- Regions have been revised
- Companion award is now 75% the cost of a regular award, previously 50%
- Miles needed for awards slightly increased (e.g. Europe2 to Far East in Business return: old: 70,000 now 90,000 miles)
Upgrades:
- All TK economy/comfort fares can be now be used for upgrades
- Economy > Business upgrades require half the miles of a full award
Award table has been updated and revised (no changes in some regions, significant changes in others).
What we don't know:
- Will status qualification levels change?
- Will Star Alliance earning rates change?
More info: http://www.new-milesandsmiles.com/
Significant updates to the M&S programme starting 1 June, good or bad?
Jun 8, 2014, 12:04 am
#286
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
It is simply not possible that there will be no changes in *A earning levels. How can THY compete if they offer 25% mileage on cheap fares like P when United give 100% on all tickets? Similarly, you can get 70% on even the cheapest Aegean fares. THY will surely modify the *A earning levels and probably do it at very short notice. If so, this does not allow M&S members to make appropriate future booking choices and is not fair to their customers.
Jun 8, 2014, 2:30 am
#287
Join Date: Oct 2013
Programs: AF FB Gold, TK Elite
Posts: 274
I can answer that question: the new earnings apply. I had a NCE-IST-KUL roundtrip, with the outbound in may and return on june 1st; the new earnings applied to the june legs.
Jun 8, 2014, 3:23 am
#288
Moderator, Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles & Accor ALL
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: BRU
Programs: TK*G, Accor ALL Platinum
Posts: 7,591
It is simply not possible that there will be no changes in *A earning levels. How can THY compete if they offer 25% mileage on cheap fares like P when United give 100% on all tickets? Similarly, you can get 70% on even the cheapest Aegean fares. THY will surely modify the *A earning levels and probably do it at very short notice. If so, this does not allow M&S members to make appropriate future booking choices and is not fair to their customers.
Jun 8, 2014, 4:55 am
#289
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
As a former holder of the BA Gold, Flying Blue Platinum, Czech Gold and United 1K cards, I know that all these airlines awarded mileage according to the rates applicable on the dates tickets were booked. To do otherwise, as appears to be the case with THY, is in my opinion disrespectful to customers.
Jun 8, 2014, 5:17 am
#290
Moderator, Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles & Accor ALL
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: BRU
Programs: TK*G, Accor ALL Platinum
Posts: 7,591
Jun 9, 2014, 7:18 pm
#291
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,130
Not sure if this has come up earlier, but I notice that TK has upped the required miles for non-Turkish residents from 37,500 to 40,000 miles for 2 years.
My statement now reads:
Required Status Miles for Elite requalification (*Thefirst year or **the total of the first and second year as of the beginning of the membership are considered) 25000* / 40000**
Their website hasn't changed even though its been over a week since the changes.
"Members residing out of Turkey need to collect 25.000 Status Miles either within the first year or 37.500 Status Miles within 2 years of the Elite membership. Otherwise, the membership status will be renewed as "Classic Plus"."
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...its/elite-card
My statement now reads:
Required Status Miles for Elite requalification (*Thefirst year or **the total of the first and second year as of the beginning of the membership are considered) 25000* / 40000**
Their website hasn't changed even though its been over a week since the changes.
"Members residing out of Turkey need to collect 25.000 Status Miles either within the first year or 37.500 Status Miles within 2 years of the Elite membership. Otherwise, the membership status will be renewed as "Classic Plus"."
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...its/elite-card
Jun 18, 2014, 7:09 am
#294
Join Date: Aug 2009
Programs: IC Diamond Amb, Bonvoy Platinum, Hyatt Explorist, HH Diamond
Posts: 310
While I'm sad about the changes to the program I have to admit that I'm not suprised.
The whole change of the program is aimed towards for more domestic Elite Members. For domestic travellers the changes are not that bad especially if you look at the recent changes to the benefits of the TK Credit Card. As a CC holder you can now exchange Award Miles to Status Miles at a 5/1 ratio. Might not sound all that attractive to most of us but if you combine that with the permant offers they extend to the CC holders for xxxx extra miles per xxx spend I think lots of people can easily reach elite status that way.
The whole change of the program is aimed towards for more domestic Elite Members. For domestic travellers the changes are not that bad especially if you look at the recent changes to the benefits of the TK Credit Card. As a CC holder you can now exchange Award Miles to Status Miles at a 5/1 ratio. Might not sound all that attractive to most of us but if you combine that with the permant offers they extend to the CC holders for xxxx extra miles per xxx spend I think lots of people can easily reach elite status that way.
Jun 18, 2014, 8:21 pm
#295
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 114
"new miles & smiles" & mile hike?
http://www.new-milesandsmiles.com/index_en.html
Was looking at this website and I remember being able to get tickets from North America to Turkey for 50k miles. But now the lowest I am seeing is 60k. Did they just increase miles required and called it "new" ?
Also this website keeps saying it is now possible to get award ticket from partners but I am seeing no option. Do they mean calling the very useful customer service?
Was looking at this website and I remember being able to get tickets from North America to Turkey for 50k miles. But now the lowest I am seeing is 60k. Did they just increase miles required and called it "new" ?
Also this website keeps saying it is now possible to get award ticket from partners but I am seeing no option. Do they mean calling the very useful customer service?
Jun 20, 2014, 1:47 am
#296
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 42
That's basically what has been discussed in this thread from the beginning, yes.
It has always been possible to book partner awards, just for much more miles. Nothing changed beside the amount of miles needed for partner awards, you still have to call to book them.
It has always been possible to book partner awards, just for much more miles. Nothing changed beside the amount of miles needed for partner awards, you still have to call to book them.
Jul 1, 2014, 3:21 pm
#297
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 97
Surcharges on TK Awards
Could anyone possibly show a screenshot or details of a sample award, showing all the taxes and fuel surcharges? I would especially be interested in the cost of an award from Western Europe to Japan. I guess you could just give me a ballpark number too. $800 US or what?
Jul 1, 2014, 3:44 pm
#298
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CPH
Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG
Posts: 11,095
I checked not long ago. Surcharge example from Copenhagen (can't remember the exact amount):
To China: DKK 3500
To Japan: DKK 4000
To the US: DKK 3500 for IAH, similar to DC and ORD.
I was so shocked. These prices are almost the same as a revenue ticket.
To China: DKK 3500
To Japan: DKK 4000
To the US: DKK 3500 for IAH, similar to DC and ORD.
I was so shocked. These prices are almost the same as a revenue ticket.
Jul 1, 2014, 11:07 pm
#299
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 97
I don't want to pay $735 even for a return "free" ticket, but I just want to know for sure whether your numbers are for one-way or return. Thanks.
Jul 2, 2014, 12:37 am
#300
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: TK E+
Posts: 602
Could anyone possibly show a screenshot or details of a sample award, showing all the taxes and fuel surcharges? I would especially be interested in the cost of an award from Western Europe to Japan. I guess you could just give me a ballpark number too. $800 US or what?