"Clear" Security Card
Mar 16, 2007, 10:33 am
#61
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I used mine at JFK a few weeks ago. They had two machines. The first did not work. The second rejected my fingerprint 5 times before letting me proceed. The process took longer then the regular line. The joke is they still check your ID. What's the point of checking my ID if they do a retinal scan AND a fingerprint check? However, I believe that Clear is well intended. It is the TSA that has added to the burdens which will ultimatley make the system fail.
What did the TSA do wrong in those five times the machine failed?
Mar 17, 2007, 3:30 pm
#62
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Programs: Delta GM; Marriott Silver
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I believe there are two main intentions
- The desire of the TSA to have some external entity search the background of all air travelers because it can't (yet) do so itself.
- The profit motive of folks like Brill
For me, if it's like that everytime, it's worth it.
Mar 17, 2007, 6:52 pm
#63
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I just received a CLEAR card in the mail.
Nice transparent plastic card - cool blue and white logo in the middle.
On closer inspection, it says "Your Name Here" and is accompanied by a credit card application from American Express.
I hate these things. I'm forced to open the envelope and remove the card before shredding the paper. The shredder will handle the plastic, but I don't want to mix the recyclables.
Still, I wonder, perhaps I can wave the card at the TSA line minder and get ahead of the queue?
With respect to fingerprint readers, I just had to use one at the DMV to get a new driver's license. That reader apparently didn't like finger oil. A little alcohol hand-sanitizer stuff on my hands and it worked like a champ.
Nice transparent plastic card - cool blue and white logo in the middle.
On closer inspection, it says "Your Name Here" and is accompanied by a credit card application from American Express.
I hate these things. I'm forced to open the envelope and remove the card before shredding the paper. The shredder will handle the plastic, but I don't want to mix the recyclables.
Still, I wonder, perhaps I can wave the card at the TSA line minder and get ahead of the queue?
With respect to fingerprint readers, I just had to use one at the DMV to get a new driver's license. That reader apparently didn't like finger oil. A little alcohol hand-sanitizer stuff on my hands and it worked like a champ.
Sep 26, 2008, 1:58 pm
#64
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: up front or in a suite!!!!
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Posts: 1,064
Lost my clear card - does anyone know how to get a new one
i am not sure where i lost it other than i don't have it anymore? does anyone know how i would go about getting a replacement?
Sep 26, 2008, 3:24 pm
#65
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist, Virtuoso Travel Agent, Commercial Pilot
Posts: 2,117
If you log in to the My Account section of the Clear website, you can order a new card online (under "Report Lost/Stolen/Damaged Card").
If you don't have your account information, the customer service number is on the website as well (there's a Contact link at the bottom of the page).
If you don't have your account information, the customer service number is on the website as well (there's a Contact link at the bottom of the page).
Jun 8, 2012, 3:00 am
#69
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: if it's Thursday, this must be Belgium
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Posts: 6,484
why does CLEAR require a card to work?
Just registered for the CLEAR system (security line priority service here in the US being re-started), thanks to the SPG promo.
My question -- they take your fingerprints and iris scan.
So why do I have to wait for a card to arrive in the mail? UK Iris system doesn't even require swiping anything, and they rely on it for immigration. Surely cutting to the front of a security check line is not as critical as that, to require a physical card to operate the system?
Makes no sense to me....
My question -- they take your fingerprints and iris scan.
So why do I have to wait for a card to arrive in the mail? UK Iris system doesn't even require swiping anything, and they rely on it for immigration. Surely cutting to the front of a security check line is not as critical as that, to require a physical card to operate the system?
Makes no sense to me....
Last edited by TA; Jun 8, 2012 at 3:10 am
Jun 8, 2012, 3:22 pm
#70
Join Date: Jul 2006
Programs: United
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It is a premise of security. Right now they have one form of identification (your biometrics) they want a second one (something that you have). Also, doing a one to one biometric match is much easier than a one-to-many match.
There is also the possibility that your biometrics are stored on the clear card.
There is also the possibility that your biometrics are stored on the clear card.
Jun 8, 2012, 6:00 pm
#71
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: if it's Thursday, this must be Belgium
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Sure, your points make good sense. And I have no idea if their algorithm / systems require the card for an additional significant level of security.
It just seems to me that if the UK can rely solely on the Iris scan many-to-many match, without any card whatsoever, then for an application like this, to have an additional card requirement is not more effective. Unless it's because they also allow people to use fingerprints only -- so have to roll out the card for everyone.
It just seems to me that if the UK can rely solely on the Iris scan many-to-many match, without any card whatsoever, then for an application like this, to have an additional card requirement is not more effective. Unless it's because they also allow people to use fingerprints only -- so have to roll out the card for everyone.
Jun 10, 2012, 10:29 am
#73
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: DCA
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Sure, your points make good sense. And I have no idea if their algorithm / systems require the card for an additional significant level of security.
It just seems to me that if the UK can rely solely on the Iris scan many-to-many match, without any card whatsoever, then for an application like this, to have an additional card requirement is not more effective. Unless it's because they also allow people to use fingerprints only -- so have to roll out the card for everyone.
It just seems to me that if the UK can rely solely on the Iris scan many-to-many match, without any card whatsoever, then for an application like this, to have an additional card requirement is not more effective. Unless it's because they also allow people to use fingerprints only -- so have to roll out the card for everyone.
They are switching to using e-passports and facial recognition. Effectively, one-to-one matching (similar to Clear). My guess is the IRIS technology could not scale to level they needed.
Jun 10, 2012, 11:17 pm
#74
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Jun 11, 2012, 12:08 pm
#75
Join Date: Jul 2006
Programs: United
Posts: 2,710
Not really silly because the biometrics are signed using some Public Key Cryptography that guarantees that it was put there by a trusted individual.