TSA Precheck - Decline in
Apr 17, 2015, 2:54 pm
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No, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot.
As much as I'm cynical about many things DHS, I still don't see the angle here about "servicing the privileged". The nominal paid fee for GE is the least of the three things you "pay" to join the program: the far more important two being submission to a detailed background check and the time/effort to schedule and submit to an interview. (Granted, they were prompt with mine.) The $100 likely serves the purpose of filtering out people who would rarely use it, but does not have any impact on people who would use it often, driving their "per use" rate down to pennies.
As much as I'm cynical about many things DHS, I still don't see the angle here about "servicing the privileged". The nominal paid fee for GE is the least of the three things you "pay" to join the program: the far more important two being submission to a detailed background check and the time/effort to schedule and submit to an interview. (Granted, they were prompt with mine.) The $100 likely serves the purpose of filtering out people who would rarely use it, but does not have any impact on people who would use it often, driving their "per use" rate down to pennies.
Apr 17, 2015, 3:52 pm
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DHS requires a passport to approve GE membership, and the cost to get a passport and then GE is high enough that it would act as a restraint on the growth of PreCheck participation. That DHS desire to grow participation in PreCheck use led to things such as the TSA Pre paid membership program, "managed inclusion", and CAC numbers' inclusion as KTN.
Apr 17, 2015, 4:28 pm
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They are "privileged" because they took the time to fill out the application, submit $100 (non-refundable) and go to the interview after getting vetted.
The Pre-Check program is $85 but doesn't require a passport. And the process asks for less information than GE.
Not sure what you mean by privileged...
The Pre-Check program is $85 but doesn't require a passport. And the process asks for less information than GE.
Not sure what you mean by privileged...
Apr 17, 2015, 4:33 pm
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No need for TSA security lines. Pre-Check or GE. That's how the privileged do it.
Apr 17, 2015, 9:11 pm
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I think of the PreCheck program as being very deliberately designed to avoid reform. By enrolling the people who were most likely to complain about TSA practices ("these naked scanners are ridiculous", "this is slow and useless"), and giving those people a relaxed security-screening process, the TSA gets to entrench its own bureaucracy.
The fact that there's a barrier to entry in Global Entry or PreCheck is not really about screening for security (do you know anyone whose application has been denied?), but about selecting for the kind of person who is actually willing to get up and do something. That's a very dangerous kind of person — they might vote or call their Congressperson. To the extent possible, you should placate that kind of person.
Folks who travel frequently and who know how to optimize their trip get PreCheck. Those are *exactly* the kinds of folks who, if the TSA process they saw were crummy or inefficient, would be most likely to demand change. At no expense to aviation security, the PreCheck program does a great job of ensuring there are no complaints from the folks with a little more influence/privilege.
PreCheck awesome and I'm very happy with it! Kind of a bummer for the infrequently-traveling in-laws, though.
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Apr 19, 2015, 1:35 pm
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Based on my experience, I got Pre 5/5 times in my last (and only) TSA checks. This was on Alaska, Southwest, United and Lufthansa in OAK, SEA, LAX, SFO (2x). This was probably because I'm 14yrs old travelling alone? Maybe because I'm from an Arabic country so they'd have to check me before I get there? No idea. It just happened that I always got Pre.
Apr 20, 2015, 10:09 pm
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Based on my experience, I got Pre 5/5 times in my last (and only) TSA checks. This was on Alaska, Southwest, United and Lufthansa in OAK, SEA, LAX, SFO (2x). This was probably because I'm 14yrs old travelling alone? Maybe because I'm from an Arabic country so they'd have to check me before I get there? No idea. It just happened that I always got Pre.
Apr 21, 2015, 5:34 am
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Perhaps inclusion at the checkpoint rather than inclusion by way of boarding pass? Minors not showing ID but traveling by themselves may get sent through PreCheck even when flying non-participating carriers, perhaps more so if accompanied with an airline crew member.
Do UA-issued boarding passes for UA-coded-LH-operated flights have some PreCheck LLL designators?
IIRC LH has a KTN field that has been getting populated.
I didn't follow through yet:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trust...lufthansa.html
Do UA-issued boarding passes for UA-coded-LH-operated flights have some PreCheck LLL designators?
IIRC LH has a KTN field that has been getting populated.
I didn't follow through yet:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trust...lufthansa.html
Apr 21, 2015, 6:41 am
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Apr 21, 2015, 7:06 am
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My most recent, definitely yes. I'm trying to think back to whether I've ever had it checking in at BA desks at a participating airport and am drawing a blank.
Side question, if a US carrier has issued BPs for connecting flights with Pre printed on them, but the connecting airline reissues their own BPs at airports where one clears security again (JFK AA T8->BA T7, for example), is it possible/advisable to use the Pre BPs to clear the second security, but use the second airline's BP to board?
Side question, if a US carrier has issued BPs for connecting flights with Pre printed on them, but the connecting airline reissues their own BPs at airports where one clears security again (JFK AA T8->BA T7, for example), is it possible/advisable to use the Pre BPs to clear the second security, but use the second airline's BP to board?
Apr 21, 2015, 7:33 am
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Side question, if a US carrier has issued BPs for connecting flights with Pre printed on them, but the connecting airline reissues their own BPs at airports where one clears security again (JFK AA T8->BA T7, for example), is it possible/advisable to use the Pre BPs to clear the second security, but use the second airline's BP to board?