Union Pearson Express: Toronto's New Airport Rail Link
Jul 9, 2016, 6:31 pm
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So has UP now been merged in with GO or is that still pending. Isn't the merger supposed to bring down the ticket price dramatically?
Jul 9, 2016, 6:41 pm
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Is it really progress that a diesel train in this modern era is used for a "new" line that prices out average commuters yet used public funds for construction?
I think questions about this service's viability are indeed valid. This isn't London. Heathrow Express is supported by plenty of business travelers who can claim the bill. Toronto does not have the same volume of business traffic that can sustain a frequent premium train service to the airport. Then you price out the families who can drive or take a taxi that costs less net. So who else do you have left? The yuppies who prefer to fly out of Billy Bishop, or the backpackers and commuters that can't afford it?
They should have included a commuter service so at least to do some public good but would take longer to get to the airport to justify the savings. They spent so much money on the infrastructure already - they should make the best use of it.
I think questions about this service's viability are indeed valid. This isn't London. Heathrow Express is supported by plenty of business travelers who can claim the bill. Toronto does not have the same volume of business traffic that can sustain a frequent premium train service to the airport. Then you price out the families who can drive or take a taxi that costs less net. So who else do you have left? The yuppies who prefer to fly out of Billy Bishop, or the backpackers and commuters that can't afford it?
They should have included a commuter service so at least to do some public good but would take longer to get to the airport to justify the savings. They spent so much money on the infrastructure already - they should make the best use of it.
Jul 10, 2016, 7:34 am
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And the electricity that flows through the wires can be guaranteed to be 100% clean and does not come from coal or some cousin of diesel fuel? DMU's are used all over the world and so are diesel engine pulled trains. How does using diesel in the modern world as you call it NOT make it "progress"??? The DMU's being used by UP are all Tier 4 complaint diesel engines, so its much cleaner that the garbage coming out of the smokestack of some faraway coal burning plant feeding your power lines.
Jul 10, 2016, 8:34 am
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Jul 11, 2016, 10:33 am
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Is it really progress that a diesel train in this modern era is used for a "new" line that prices out average commuters yet used public funds for construction?
When they dropped the fares, they also added fares for airport employees, $3.50 per trip or $140 for a monthly pass, somewhat less than the GO fares from the Malton or Etobicoke North stations. They also seem to have negotiable bulk fares for companies whose employees take the UP a lot.
I took it the other day. For $12 to downtown where I could walk to my appointment on Bay St, it wasn't a bad deal.
Jul 12, 2016, 12:17 pm
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It has been updated. $12 one way for adults
Families are $25
Seniors $6
https://www.upexpress.com/Tickets/Tickets
Families are $25
Seniors $6
https://www.upexpress.com/Tickets/Tickets
Edit: figured out that the "Meeter and Greeter" tickets must start at Union/Bloor/Weston, and "Long Layover" starts at Pearson, so I guess they have different target groups.
Jul 13, 2016, 8:12 am
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And the electricity that flows through the wires can be guaranteed to be 100% clean and does not come from coal or some cousin of diesel fuel? DMU's are used all over the world and so are diesel engine pulled trains. How does using diesel in the modern world as you call it NOT make it "progress"??? The DMU's being used by UP are all Tier 4 complaint diesel engines, so its much cleaner that the garbage coming out of the smokestack of some faraway coal burning plant feeding your power lines.
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/en/ontar...y-system-faqs/
Jul 14, 2016, 9:00 am
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Coal is 2%. Did you bother to do some research beforehand?
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/en/ontar...y-system-faqs/
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/en/ontar...y-system-faqs/
Jul 14, 2016, 10:40 am
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So what...electric...diesel...when have people in Ontario truly given a crap about the environment if it was going to cost them more....oh yah...NEVER!
the people in this province are the biggest hypocrites out there.
and for the record, i know full well my decisions are not the greatest for the environment but i am not paying more for something that is...sorry, i just won't!!
the people in this province are the biggest hypocrites out there.
and for the record, i know full well my decisions are not the greatest for the environment but i am not paying more for something that is...sorry, i just won't!!