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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 7:30 pm
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I sit down, greet my seatmate, open my book and make it very clear that I am not interested in any further conversation. In all my years of flying I have not been subjected to a conversation I didn't want to participate in. And I have read many good books!
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by alex0683de
Here's a few more:

"Ich kann Sie nicht verstehen" - I can't understand you

"Ich habe keine Ahnung wovon Sie reden" - I have no idea what you're talking about

"Es hat keinen Zweck mit mir zu reden, ich verstehe Sie sowieso nicht" - there's no point in talking to me, I can't understand you anyway

It'd be just your luck for the guy to be fluent in German as well though.
You forgot to add taubenlecker (pigeon licker) to the end of each phrase. I find it adds some pizzazz...
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 7:47 pm
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RE: trying to convert me on a trans-con

LIGHTWEIGHT! I sat in a middle seat on a 747 from Los Angeles to Seoul about 16 years ago next to a MOONIE!
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by GuyverII
What's most insulting is they don't even try to get to know you, they just start out with "Have you found Jesus?" or they ask you about your problems, then hit you with "I know the solution for all your ills. His name is Jesus."
Jesus may be the solution to all your ills, but not mine. My ills can be fixed by Andrew Jacksons. A faster solution involves U.S. Grants. Even faster would be Benjamin Franklins.
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 8:54 pm
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PTravel gives us an excellent example of why it would be silly to assume all Jews are alike, and yet several posters seem to treat all Christians as identical.

The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't.
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Bowgie
It is disheartening to go thru two pages of replies to find one (yours) that is sensible
Thanks.

Originally Posted by PTravel
I don't know if this still goes on, but in the late 70s, when I was living in New York, the Lubivitchers, one of the Hassidic groups in Brooklyn, used to drive around in an RV decorated with big Jewish Stars and a huge sign on it saying, "Mitzvah-Mobile." ("mitvah" means "blessing" in Hebrew.) They'd park it near busy intersections and scout out people who looked Jewish (that, in itself, opens a whole can of worms). They must have had pretty good "Jew-dar" because they'd always make a beeline straight for me, saying, as they approached, "You Jewish? You Jewish?" I used to say something along the lines of, "My religion is a private matter, I don't discuss it with strangers and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my beliefs." Without missing a beat, they'd say, "Aha! You're Jewish! Come with us!", and grab my arms and, literally, drag me into the Mitzvah Mobile, where they'd have me put on tefillin and say the daily prayer (about a 3 minute undertaking). Then they'd let me go, with my pockets stuffed with literature on various programs they had to bring Jews like me back into the fold. After this happened a couple of times, when they'd run up to me, saying, "You Jewish?", I'd just say, "No!"
As a matter of fact, it cost me a buck for Tzdakah (charity) just a month ago. On the Brooklyn Reality Tour, we pass a parked MM when we drive through Crown Heights on Saturday.

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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 9:38 pm
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I think I agree with you, PTraveler

Originally Posted by PTravel
I'm sorry, but if someone starts to proselytize I am not, in the least, interested in maintaining their dignity. It is rude and disrespectful and one who does so, particularly in a captive audience context such as an aircraft, deserves no consideration.
Of course, such behavior is rude. But the preferred solution to (any) rude behavior is a soft approach that might allow the other person to "save face." Perhaps, I should have used that term instead of "dignity". Yeah, I could jump down the throat of an annoying seat mate, too, but then I would have a sulky seat mate next to my for the rest of the trip.

Of course, there ARE limits and would never suggest anyone be a doormat for insufferable behavior of a seat mate. It just never hurts to try a gentle approach first. You did say to try, "I am not interested in this conversation" in your first post. I would call that gentle.


Originally Posted by PTravel
You'll have to explain to me why you believe this particular activity deserves respect. When someone proselytizes, they are saying, in essence, "I am right and you are wrong and I'm going to tell you why." When unsolicited (and it always is), this is absolutely disrespectful of my beliefs which I regard as private and something which I do not have to justify nor want challenged.
Such activity is not worthy of respect, nor should anyone be subject to it unwillingly. I only meant the PERSON deserved respect, mostly in hope that his behavior might change for the better.


Originally Posted by PTravel
I don't like to be put in a situation in which I have to make up lies, particularly when it is the other person who, in my opinion, is the one being rude.
I am sure you have heard of the concept of a "white lie". No one is obligated to use one. Brutally firm honesty is perfectly fine if that is one's style. Another approach is a white lie ("Sorry, I must sleep".), the point of which is to save the OTHER person from embarrassment of being told forthrightly he is an annoying pest.


Originally Posted by PTravel
Never. Not ever! My religion is no one's business, regardless of their denomination.
That was a good story. You are talking about boundaries. I'll tell you one.
I met an executive with MX, so we are talking about a well-educated upper class person in Mexico. We were having a great conversation in the middle of a large hall, and I could not help but notice he was perfectly comfortable speaking to me about six inches off of the bow of my nose. This was after returning from Japan, where one usually stands about six feet off of a stranger.

Now this not a perfect or even a good example because one can expect different cultural norms in different countries. Maybe the Mexican executive should have made an allowance for me and stood farther back. He didn't; I did not interprets this as rudeness, but him just being himself.

I am very well acquainted with the Bible thumping mentality. I understand why the behavior is objectively disrespectful, and I would not criticize you for pushing back. However, person doing this does not think he is disrespecting you. Maybe 50 years ago, somebody would call a grown black adult man "boy". Also objectively disrespectful. But that behavior comes from ignorance. It not often possible to deter these "my way or Hell's highway" Christians. It is up to each of us to determine how much of our patience or energy is worth the effort.

Always difficult to judge the best response, and obviously each person is going to find a different balance within his comfort zone.

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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 9:50 pm
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by AlanInDC
Jesus may be the solution to all your ills, but not mine. My ills can be fixed by Andrew Jacksons. A faster solution involves U.S. Grants. Even faster would be Benjamin Franklins.
The solution to all of my wills has a Citibank logo on the lower left, has Bill Gates' name and address on the upper left, and has a blank where I can fill in whatever absurd large number suits my fancy that day. Oh, and his autograph on the lower right. And they come in books of 50.

On the other hand, I didn't know my doctor was named Jesus....
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by shaggy_mutt
The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't.
Umm, right...

Please don't sit next to me. I'm, err, busy...
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