trying to convert me on a trans-con
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I sit down, greet my seatmate, open my book and make it very clear that I am not interested in any further conversation. In all my years of flying I have not been subjected to a conversation I didn't want to participate in. And I have read many good books!
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Here's a few more:
"Ich kann Sie nicht verstehen" - I can't understand you
"Ich habe keine Ahnung wovon Sie reden" - I have no idea what you're talking about
"Es hat keinen Zweck mit mir zu reden, ich verstehe Sie sowieso nicht" - there's no point in talking to me, I can't understand you anyway
It'd be just your luck for the guy to be fluent in German as well though.
"Ich kann Sie nicht verstehen" - I can't understand you
"Ich habe keine Ahnung wovon Sie reden" - I have no idea what you're talking about
"Es hat keinen Zweck mit mir zu reden, ich verstehe Sie sowieso nicht" - there's no point in talking to me, I can't understand you anyway
It'd be just your luck for the guy to be fluent in German as well though.

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Jesus may be the solution to all your ills, but not mine. My ills can be fixed by Andrew Jacksons. A faster solution involves U.S. Grants. Even faster would be Benjamin Franklins.
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PTravel gives us an excellent example of why it would be silly to assume all Jews are alike, and yet several posters seem to treat all Christians as identical.
The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't.
The only thing all Christians have in common is a recognition that we as sinners can't get to heaven on our own merits, and that God had mercy on us and sent His only Son to die on a cross to pay the price we couldn't.
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I don't know if this still goes on, but in the late 70s, when I was living in New York, the Lubivitchers, one of the Hassidic groups in Brooklyn, used to drive around in an RV decorated with big Jewish Stars and a huge sign on it saying, "Mitzvah-Mobile." ("mitvah" means "blessing" in Hebrew.) They'd park it near busy intersections and scout out people who looked Jewish (that, in itself, opens a whole can of worms). They must have had pretty good "Jew-dar" because they'd always make a beeline straight for me, saying, as they approached, "You Jewish? You Jewish?" I used to say something along the lines of, "My religion is a private matter, I don't discuss it with strangers and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my beliefs." Without missing a beat, they'd say, "Aha! You're Jewish! Come with us!", and grab my arms and, literally, drag me into the Mitzvah Mobile, where they'd have me put on tefillin and say the daily prayer (about a 3 minute undertaking). Then they'd let me go, with my pockets stuffed with literature on various programs they had to bring Jews like me back into the fold. After this happened a couple of times, when they'd run up to me, saying, "You Jewish?", I'd just say, "No!"

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I think I agree with you, PTraveler
Of course, there ARE limits and would never suggest anyone be a doormat for insufferable behavior of a seat mate. It just never hurts to try a gentle approach first. You did say to try, "I am not interested in this conversation" in your first post. I would call that gentle.
You'll have to explain to me why you believe this particular activity deserves respect. When someone proselytizes, they are saying, in essence, "I am right and you are wrong and I'm going to tell you why." When unsolicited (and it always is), this is absolutely disrespectful of my beliefs which I regard as private and something which I do not have to justify nor want challenged.
I met an executive with MX, so we are talking about a well-educated upper class person in Mexico. We were having a great conversation in the middle of a large hall, and I could not help but notice he was perfectly comfortable speaking to me about six inches off of the bow of my nose. This was after returning from Japan, where one usually stands about six feet off of a stranger.
Now this not a perfect or even a good example because one can expect different cultural norms in different countries. Maybe the Mexican executive should have made an allowance for me and stood farther back. He didn't; I did not interprets this as rudeness, but him just being himself.
I am very well acquainted with the Bible thumping mentality. I understand why the behavior is objectively disrespectful, and I would not criticize you for pushing back. However, person doing this does not think he is disrespecting you. Maybe 50 years ago, somebody would call a grown black adult man "boy". Also objectively disrespectful. But that behavior comes from ignorance. It not often possible to deter these "my way or Hell's highway" Christians. It is up to each of us to determine how much of our patience or energy is worth the effort.
Always difficult to judge the best response, and obviously each person is going to find a different balance within his comfort zone.
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On the other hand, I didn't know my doctor was named Jesus....
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Please don't sit next to me. I'm, err, busy...

