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Old Apr 9, 2019, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by cestmoi123
I can't speak for your company, but, typically, Amex corporate cardholders are jointly liable (with their employer) for the balances on their accounts.
I believe that is true for me. However, i have had a corporate Amex for years and theres no mention of it on my credit reports (which I have reviewed periodically).
perhaps the account went into default they may report it. ?
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Old Apr 9, 2019, 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
To me it's just wrong to apply for GE once and expect that not only will the employer reimburse the cost but also that you'll take the AmEx statement credit for it. OTOH, it would seem to be OK to have a family member apply for GE first and claim the AmEx statement credit, then have the traveling employee apply and submit the bill to the employer for reimbursement.
The statement credit on the card in question was intended to be used for a family member, however I ended up in a position of needing to obtain GE for myself first. Had I not expensed it I would have been out of pocket when the time came to pay for the family member.
as I mentionmentioned reply to someone else, it's a moot point in my specific case since I was up front about it with my boss. My boss was actually happy that I wouldn't personally be out of pocket or use a personal benefit for business purposes.
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 4:49 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander
I believe that is true for me. However, i have had a corporate Amex for years and theres no mention of it on my credit reports (which I have reviewed periodically).
perhaps the account went into default they may report it. ?
I don't see it on my credit reports either, but the agreement is clear that they can, although it sounds like, in practice, they usually don't if the employee isn't somehow at fault. So, if your company goes bankrupt, you're probably OK, so long as you work with them. If you quit on Monday, having spent the weekend ringing up $20k in charges at Definitely Not An Escort Service, LLC and Definitely Not A Drug Dealer, LLC, and the company refuses to pay, Amex might well also come after you.

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-c...krupt-1282.php
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 5:24 am
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As a manager and someone that has traveled very frequently, I have a few thoughts to share.

On the topic of "statement credits" or "alternative form of payments":
What matters here is the billed amount, not how it was paid for. Case in point, if your employer agrees to reimburse you for Global Entry, and the CC you put it on gives you a statement credit as well, that's between you and your card provider. Same goes if you get Uber credits (Uber Cash as they call it now). If your Uber ride was for a work trip, what matters is the amount of the charge, not how it was paid for.
This goes further, IMHO. If you have a bunch of gift cards for an airline, or hotel, and you decide to spend those for a qualified work expense, you are entitled to reimbursement for the full amount as long as it's within all other business expense policies of your employer.

On the other topics:
If you have a refundable fare and get a refund as a result of voluntary action on your part, that refund is to be used on a future reimbursable flight or otherwise to be offset against expenses. Purposely buying business or first class fares and then downgrading and pocketing the difference is not acceptable.
Receiving an IROP, IDB or VDB voucher / cash / credit / etc. is yours to keep and use as you deem appropriate. One exception would be taking a VDB and missing a meeting as a result. That's just bad form overall.
If you had a bad experience at a hotel / airline / etc. and receive compensation in points, those are yours to keep. If you receive cash or a statement credit that's not reflected on the final bill, that's also yours to keep for the inconvenience. If it's a discount that'll be reflected on the receipt you submit, I'll want to understand what happened as part of the expense approval process. I may decide to approve reimbursement at the pre-discounted price or not depending on the circumstances that lead to the discount.

All of these need to be arms-length transactions or need to be disclosed otherwise, in other words, if your cousin/brother/mother/etc. owns a hotel you stay at, that's probably fine but I'd want to know about the relationship (this is a really rare circumstance but I've seen it for some out of the way places).

If you get lounge benefits as a result of CC membership, or status, or anything, that's for your benefit. I wouldn't expect to see a reimbursement request for the membership / fee / etc. As a manager, I encourage my employees to find a way to get such privileges to make travel more pleasant but I wouldn't reimburse for the costs of those membership / CC fees / etc.

Lastly, in full disclosure, I've always worked for small to mid-size companies where there are no corporate cards. I know that rules may be different in organizations where those are common / required as well as folks that are based outside of the US where rules generally can be different. Europe has some archaic expense rules for instance, most of which are designed to disadvantage employees that operate from there.
In cases where things are questionable, intend is what matters. I've had very few cases in my career where someone outright tried to defraud their employer. For those few instances, something else was usually already wrong with the relationship though.
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
... only an obsequious, forelock-tugging toady would rush to his employer offering him the benefit.
You do have a way with words.
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 9:59 pm
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Here's a bit of a twist.

I had a client who wanted me to take a particular flight, and the arrangement was that I'd pay my own expenses for travel and get reimbursed, as I was only a consultant so they did not want to give me a company card. But they wanted me to take lowest fare flights. So I have one booked, and then the event got cancelled. I had a non-refundable ticket, but for $$ I could apply it to other travel for a year. It's not a carrier I usually fly and I had no anticipated travel on that carrier in the future.

I put in expense for the price I paid for the ticket. They reimbursed me only for the change fee, saying that the ticket still had value.

I had to accept that but I disagree with the decision. The unused ticket had potential value to me, but I was immediately out of pocket for the cost. How should they have dealt with it fairly?
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Old Apr 10, 2019, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by MojaveFlyer
... client who wanted me to take a particular flight ... I'd pay my own expenses for travel and get reimbursed ... they wanted me to take lowest fare flights. ... the event got cancelled. I had a non-refundable ticket ... not a carrier I usually fly ...

I put in expense for the price I paid ... They reimbursed me only for the change fee, saying that the ticket still had value.

... How should they have dealt with it fairly?
at the outset, I would have looked at the difference between “lowest fare flights” and lowest available fare on my preferred carrier, and inquired as to how much the client would reimburse if I submitted an invoice for (say) $20 over “lowest fare”

given that didn’t happen, I would have explained that there was little to no chance of using the residual value of the ticket **that the client insisted you purchase**, so in the interest of good business practices (and fundamentally ethical behavior) they should make you whole and reimburse the entire ticket cost
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 5:45 am
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Originally Posted by MojaveFlyer
Here's a bit of a twist.

I had a client who wanted me to take a particular flight, and the arrangement was that I'd pay my own expenses for travel and get reimbursed, as I was only a consultant so they did not want to give me a company card. But they wanted me to take lowest fare flights. So I have one booked, and then the event got cancelled. I had a non-refundable ticket, but for $$ I could apply it to other travel for a year. It's not a carrier I usually fly and I had no anticipated travel on that carrier in the future.

I put in expense for the price I paid for the ticket. They reimbursed me only for the change fee, saying that the ticket still had value.

I had to accept that but I disagree with the decision. The unused ticket had potential value to me, but I was immediately out of pocket for the cost. How should they have dealt with it fairly?
Fairly would have been covering the entire ticket. For them to insist you fly on a non-refundable ticket and then not cover the entire amount is egregious. It is outrageous if they are the ones who cancelled the event.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by MojaveFlyer
Here's a bit of a twist.

I had a client who wanted me to take a particular flight, and the arrangement was that I'd pay my own expenses for travel and get reimbursed, as I was only a consultant so they did not want to give me a company card. But they wanted me to take lowest fare flights. So I have one booked, and then the event got cancelled. I had a non-refundable ticket, but for $$ I could apply it to other travel for a year. It's not a carrier I usually fly and I had no anticipated travel on that carrier in the future.

I put in expense for the price I paid for the ticket. They reimbursed me only for the change fee, saying that the ticket still had value.

I had to accept that but I disagree with the decision. The unused ticket had potential value to me, but I was immediately out of pocket for the cost. How should they have dealt with it fairly?
I would expect reimbursement for the full ticket cost, with an understanding that you will use the residual value for a future ticket with that client. I’m assuming that the cancelled event will be rescheduled and this airline may be viable for that trip.

If if they continue to insist they do not owe you reimbursement for expenses incurred that they insisted upon (ie specific airline and flight) then consider this fact before doing business with them in the future. Either it’s a goodwill investment with a valued client or a sign of troubles to come.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by MojaveFlyer
Here's a bit of a twist.

I had a client who wanted me to take a particular flight, and the arrangement was that I'd pay my own expenses for travel and get reimbursed, as I was only a consultant so they did not want to give me a company card. But they wanted me to take lowest fare flights. So I have one booked, and then the event got cancelled. I had a non-refundable ticket, but for $$ I could apply it to other travel for a year. It's not a carrier I usually fly and I had no anticipated travel on that carrier in the future.

I put in expense for the price I paid for the ticket. They reimbursed me only for the change fee, saying that the ticket still had value.

I had to accept that but I disagree with the decision. The unused ticket had potential value to me, but I was immediately out of pocket for the cost. How should they have dealt with it fairly?
That’s pretty absurd. Why not get reimbursed in full and turn over the credit to the client? If they insist the ticket still has value, let them keep it rather than leaving you on the hook.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by davie355
So if your employees paid with a Citi Prestige card (4th night free at hotels) you’d expect all 4th nights not to be claimed as an expense?

I doubt the picture is as black and white as the posters above me imply.
I may be misunderstanding this - You stay in a hotel for 4 nights on a work trip. Night 1 $200, Night 2, $200, Night 3, $200, Night 4, Free. Are you saying you would try and claim $800 for the hotel stay instead of $600?
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by emma69
I may be misunderstanding this - You stay in a hotel for 4 nights on a work trip. Night 1 $200, Night 2, $200, Night 3, $200, Night 4, Free. Are you saying you would try and claim $800 for the hotel stay instead of $600?
Yes that's right, with one clarification. Night 4 is Free to you, i.e. Free in the sense that the hotel charges $200 and that's what shows on your folio, but Citi gives you back $200 on your personal card.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by davie355
Yes that's right, with one clarification. Night 4 is Free to you, i.e. Free in the sense that the hotel charges $200 and that's what shows on your folio, but Citi gives you back $200 on your personal card.
I’m not familiar with this card... is that a benefit you can only use once a year? If so, then having it (presumably automatically) apply to an otherwise reimbursable business expense prevents you from using it for your own travel and should thus be reimbursed (same as the Chase travel credit, AmEx airline fee or Uber credits, etc.). If it’s unlimited, and you wouldn’t have earned or used it if not for the business trip, then I’m not so sure.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:35 pm
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I used to have the card and used the benefit a couple of times, but only on personal travel.

At the time I had the card, the benefit was indeed unlimited.
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Old Apr 11, 2019, 12:46 pm
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same as AMEX Offers credits going directly into your pocket on work travel

the morality police here are, of course, just virtue signaling.
social media capital is built on regular condemnations to others.
it’s all bs. no one believes it.
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