Jul 20, 2019, 7:49 pm
737-Max 8 safety concerns
Jul 17, 2019, 3:37 am
#406
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I'm surprised they didn't drop the whole 737 moniker. That's what they should have done, since all new 737's are 8/9/10 whatever. Drop the 737 completely. Come up with a completely new name.
Jul 17, 2019, 4:48 am
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Boeing will fight the extra training requirements as it will be on the hook to provide it. Airlines like United, Southwest and American will expect Boeing to either pony up paid for simulator time or the actual simulator itself. At $10m a pop, that will get expensive quickly.
Jul 17, 2019, 1:03 pm
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Jul 17, 2019, 1:51 pm
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Call it an 808. Boeing has milked all the luck it possibly could out of the 7's.
Jul 17, 2019, 3:34 pm
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Boeing will fight the extra training requirements as it will be on the hook to provide it. Airlines like United, Southwest and American will expect Boeing to either pony up paid for simulator time or the actual simulator itself. At $10m a pop, that will get expensive quickly.
Jul 18, 2019, 2:16 am
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Seeing a lot of posts saying folks will not fly on a MAX. If it comes back in service, flyers will not be able to avoid flying it, unless you are willing to give up your ticket. Airlines are not going to let you switch flights because you don't want to fly a certain aircraft type. (Maybe they will do it short term to avoid bad press, but it will go away quickly.)
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
Jul 18, 2019, 3:32 am
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Seeing a lot of posts saying folks will not fly on a MAX. If it comes back in service, flyers will not be able to avoid flying it, unless you are willing to give up your ticket. Airlines are not going to let you switch flights because you don't want to fly a certain aircraft type. (Maybe they will do it short term to avoid bad press, but it will go away quickly.)
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
Jul 18, 2019, 6:07 am
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Joint opinion piece from a former NTSB Chairman and NTSB managing director, making some good points IMHO:
The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure
The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure
Boeing’s stubborn resistance to admit its mistakes — even as those mistakes have delayed the return to operation of 737 Max planes by several months, according to The Wall Street Journal — are turning into a disaster for the company and its customers. Some of the families of the victims testified before Congress on Wednesday.
Even worse, Boeing has found a willing partner in the F.A.A., which allowed the company to circumvent standard certification processes so it could sell aircraft more quickly. Boeing’s inadequate regard for safety and the F.A.A.’s complicity display an unconscionable lack of leadership at both organizations.
Even worse, Boeing has found a willing partner in the F.A.A., which allowed the company to circumvent standard certification processes so it could sell aircraft more quickly. Boeing’s inadequate regard for safety and the F.A.A.’s complicity display an unconscionable lack of leadership at both organizations.
Jul 18, 2019, 6:45 am
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Seeing a lot of posts saying folks will not fly on a MAX. If it comes back in service, flyers will not be able to avoid flying it, unless you are willing to give up your ticket. Airlines are not going to let you switch flights because you don't want to fly a certain aircraft type. (Maybe they will do it short term to avoid bad press, but it will go away quickly.)
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
And even if you plan your trip on a 737-800 (or whatever), aircraft swaps happen all the time. You may not even know you are on a MAX.
Jul 18, 2019, 6:50 am
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Joint opinion piece from a former NTSB Chairman and NTSB managing director, making some good points IMHO:
The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure
The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure
Jul 18, 2019, 7:10 am
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And their stock prices have held on well so far. None of the big airlines have cancelled their 737 orders - I'm guessing they are all waiting and watching to see how this all plays out.
Jul 18, 2019, 8:02 am
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Then there are some reports that AB has similar issues with it's latest long range single isle bird, appears both are pushing the envelope on engine size/ placement.
I still love the 747 !
Jul 20, 2019, 4:40 pm
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Ralph Nader Says Boeing 737 Max Is Flawed and Should Never Fly Again
A Bloomberg news article from June:
Also:
Link: Bloomberg News - Ralph Nader Says Boeing 737 Max Is Flawed and Should Never Fly Again
Consumer advocate Ralph Nader said the larger engines mounted to the Boeing 737 Max represented a design flaw and called for the plane to be permanently grounded.
The 737 Max “must never fly again,” Nader said. “It’s not a matter of software. It’s a matter of structural design defect: the plane’s engines are too much for the traditional fuselage.”
Speaking at an aviation safety event in Washington, Nader lambasted Boeing Co. for designing the 737 Max as yet another revision to an airframe that was first built in the 1960’s, rather than designing a new plane from scratch.
The 737 Max “must never fly again,” Nader said. “It’s not a matter of software. It’s a matter of structural design defect: the plane’s engines are too much for the traditional fuselage.”
Speaking at an aviation safety event in Washington, Nader lambasted Boeing Co. for designing the 737 Max as yet another revision to an airframe that was first built in the 1960’s, rather than designing a new plane from scratch.
Nader also said Boeing’s top leaders should resign, adding, “Good heavens, they would’ve resigned in 24 hours in Japan out of shame.”
Jul 20, 2019, 4:49 pm
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Nader is not exactly unbiased. His grandniece was killed in the Ethiopian Airlines crash.