DYKWIA in the hotel elevator
Oct 16, 2018, 7:39 am
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I would add the virtue signalling guy..and it's always a guy..that tries to show how courteous he is by holding the door open with his hand..and I don't mean to hold the elevator..I mean for those 10 seconds or so when it opens on it's own and stays open on it's own he can be credited with holding a door for someone. Dude..it's an automatic door...what's next, eagle scout? Helping a little old lady cross a picture of a street?
Oct 16, 2018, 10:06 pm
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Another elevator etiquette rule, talking on the cell phone. When I'm in the states, generally people don't talk on the phone while in the elevator, or if they do, keep the conversation quiet or quickly end the call. In China, everyones ringtone is super loud and they have no voicemail, so every call gets answered. And of course if the elevator is crowded they just yell at the top of their lungs. Screaming in someones ear is not considered inappropriate, because after all they have a phone call. Every super load ringtone is answered by an equally loud "Wei". Sometimes if I'm super fed-up, while someone is shouting on the phone in the elevator (only if I'm alone with the shouter), I pull out my phone and pretend to answer a call and start yelling in English -- "What? I can't hear you? Someone is talking real loud!" Yeah, super passive aggressive, but the rudeness just kills me some times.
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Oct 16, 2018, 10:16 pm
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This is an irreconcilable cultural difference between India+China vs. everybody else. It does not mean Indians and Chinese are rude. I'd actually argue the opposite, that teaching people not to fend selfishly for themselves is rude, but that's another story.
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
Oct 17, 2018, 10:02 am
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This is an irreconcilable cultural difference between India+China vs. everybody else. It does not mean Indians and Chinese are rude. I'd actually argue the opposite, that teaching people not to fend selfishly for themselves is rude, but that's another story.
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
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Oct 17, 2018, 1:22 pm
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I actually forgot scenario #4 and it's a gem.
Standing on my floor having pressed the down button and waiting for the lift to arrive. There is no light behind the buttons but there is display above the lift door which shows that it's on it's way. Some guy walks up and waits along side me. Seems that the arriving lift is direction neutral (can go either up or down depending on which floor button is pressed first). As mentioned in the OP I like to stand back from the door in order to leave space for anyone in the lift who would like to get out. When the door opens this guy (now marching purposefully towards DYKWIA status) darts in and presses the button to the top floor knowing full well that I had been waiting longer then him and that it was me who requested the lift to come to our floor. Absolutely no intention of letting me make my choice first meaning that I had to escort him to his chosen floor before going all the way back down with a few floor stops along the way.
Standing on my floor having pressed the down button and waiting for the lift to arrive. There is no light behind the buttons but there is display above the lift door which shows that it's on it's way. Some guy walks up and waits along side me. Seems that the arriving lift is direction neutral (can go either up or down depending on which floor button is pressed first). As mentioned in the OP I like to stand back from the door in order to leave space for anyone in the lift who would like to get out. When the door opens this guy (now marching purposefully towards DYKWIA status) darts in and presses the button to the top floor knowing full well that I had been waiting longer then him and that it was me who requested the lift to come to our floor. Absolutely no intention of letting me make my choice first meaning that I had to escort him to his chosen floor before going all the way back down with a few floor stops along the way.
Childish, maybe... Taught a lesson, hopefully.
Oct 20, 2018, 3:01 pm
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Regarding #1 , I will give a shoulder slam to people blocking those who are trying to exit the elevator but refusing to move out of the way. Or, if I have luggage, accidentally banging it into them. Of course, I don't do this for anyone who looks frail or infirm, but maybe after people find they're constantly getting bumped into because of their lack of situational awareness they'll open their eyes and move out of the way.
Oct 20, 2018, 10:05 pm
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Regarding #1 , I will give a shoulder slam to people blocking those who are trying to exit the elevator but refusing to move out of the way.
Speaking of actual violence due to rude behaviour, my friend's son was here (in China) visiting his father a number of years ago and one day he was standing in line at a KFC. He was behind the person being served and that person took away their order and he prepared to move up to the counter to be served when someone pushed in front of him. A tap on the shoulder was all he could do as he didn't speak any Mandarin. The [person] in front of him turned around and looked at my friend's son and turned back to continue with his order. This time he put his hand on the [person]'s shoulder and turned the [person] halfway round. Again, the [person] ignored him and continued ordering. Even at this point the server at KFC didn't do anything (because it's commonplace to push in line (it's a little better now but not that much better)) so he got frustrated and the third time went like this; hand went on shoulder, pulled the [person] around, kneed him in the groin and then walked out. A couple of days later he returned to the UK as he couldn't stand any more of that kind of [stuff]. He was maybe 25 - 30 at the time and not a violent guy. No doubt the frustration reached breaking point and he let loose. Also no doubt that the [person] wouldn't dare to push in front of a foreigner ever again, LMAO. It's even more hilarious to note that the security guard just stood there and did nothing. That would've been such an awesome video for YouTube or the likes.
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Oct 21, 2018, 3:15 pm
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+1. Shoulder slamming works wonders.
Works in China a lot cos the next time they see a Westerner they'll think "Whoa. They're all violent / aggressive people so I'd better get out of the way!" LOL.
Speaking of actual violence due to rude behaviour, my friend's son was here (in China) visiting his father a number of years ago and one day he was standing in line at a KFC. He was behind the person being served and that person took away their order and he prepared to move up to the counter to be served when someone pushed in front of him. A tap on the shoulder was all he could do as he didn't speak any Mandarin. The [person] in front of him turned around and looked at my friend's son and turned back to continue with his order. This time he put his hand on the [person]'s shoulder and turned the [person] halfway round. Again, the [person] ignored him and continued ordering. Even at this point the server at KFC didn't do anything (because it's commonplace to push in line (it's a little better now but not that much better)) so he got frustrated and the third time went like this; hand went on shoulder, pulled the [person] around, kneed him in the groin and then walked out. A couple of days later he returned to the UK as he couldn't stand any more of that kind of [stuff]. He was maybe 25 - 30 at the time and not a violent guy. No doubt the frustration reached breaking point and he let loose. Also no doubt that the [person] wouldn't dare to push in front of a foreigner ever again, LMAO. It's even more hilarious to note that the security guard just stood there and did nothing. That would've been such an awesome video for YouTube or the likes.
Works in China a lot cos the next time they see a Westerner they'll think "Whoa. They're all violent / aggressive people so I'd better get out of the way!" LOL.
Speaking of actual violence due to rude behaviour, my friend's son was here (in China) visiting his father a number of years ago and one day he was standing in line at a KFC. He was behind the person being served and that person took away their order and he prepared to move up to the counter to be served when someone pushed in front of him. A tap on the shoulder was all he could do as he didn't speak any Mandarin. The [person] in front of him turned around and looked at my friend's son and turned back to continue with his order. This time he put his hand on the [person]'s shoulder and turned the [person] halfway round. Again, the [person] ignored him and continued ordering. Even at this point the server at KFC didn't do anything (because it's commonplace to push in line (it's a little better now but not that much better)) so he got frustrated and the third time went like this; hand went on shoulder, pulled the [person] around, kneed him in the groin and then walked out. A couple of days later he returned to the UK as he couldn't stand any more of that kind of [stuff]. He was maybe 25 - 30 at the time and not a violent guy. No doubt the frustration reached breaking point and he let loose. Also no doubt that the [person] wouldn't dare to push in front of a foreigner ever again, LMAO. It's even more hilarious to note that the security guard just stood there and did nothing. That would've been such an awesome video for YouTube or the likes.
Oct 21, 2018, 10:10 pm
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+1. Shoulder slamming works wonders.
Works in China a lot cos the next time they see a Westerner they'll think "Whoa. They're all violent / aggressive people so I'd better get out of the way!" LOL.
Speaking of actual violence due to rude behaviour, my friend's son was here (in China) visiting his father a number of years ago and one day he was standing in line at a KFC. He was behind the person being served and that person took away their order and he prepared to move up to the counter to be served when someone pushed in front of him. A tap on the shoulder was all he could do as he didn't speak any Mandarin. The [person] in front of him turned around and looked at my friend's son and turned back to continue with his order. This time he put his hand on the [person]'s shoulder and turned the [person] halfway round. Again, the [person] ignored him and continued ordering. Even at this point the server at KFC didn't do anything (because it's commonplace to push in line (it's a little better now but not that much better)) so he got frustrated and the third time went like this; hand went on shoulder, pulled the [person] around, kneed him in the groin and then walked out. A couple of days later he returned to the UK as he couldn't stand any more of that kind of [stuff]. He was maybe 25 - 30 at the time and not a violent guy. No doubt the frustration reached breaking point and he let loose. Also no doubt that the [person] wouldn't dare to push in front of a foreigner ever again, LMAO. It's even more hilarious to note that the security guard just stood there and did nothing. That would've been such an awesome video for YouTube or the likes.
Works in China a lot cos the next time they see a Westerner they'll think "Whoa. They're all violent / aggressive people so I'd better get out of the way!" LOL.
Speaking of actual violence due to rude behaviour, my friend's son was here (in China) visiting his father a number of years ago and one day he was standing in line at a KFC. He was behind the person being served and that person took away their order and he prepared to move up to the counter to be served when someone pushed in front of him. A tap on the shoulder was all he could do as he didn't speak any Mandarin. The [person] in front of him turned around and looked at my friend's son and turned back to continue with his order. This time he put his hand on the [person]'s shoulder and turned the [person] halfway round. Again, the [person] ignored him and continued ordering. Even at this point the server at KFC didn't do anything (because it's commonplace to push in line (it's a little better now but not that much better)) so he got frustrated and the third time went like this; hand went on shoulder, pulled the [person] around, kneed him in the groin and then walked out. A couple of days later he returned to the UK as he couldn't stand any more of that kind of [stuff]. He was maybe 25 - 30 at the time and not a violent guy. No doubt the frustration reached breaking point and he let loose. Also no doubt that the [person] wouldn't dare to push in front of a foreigner ever again, LMAO. It's even more hilarious to note that the security guard just stood there and did nothing. That would've been such an awesome video for YouTube or the likes.
Queues are strange things in China. Sometimes the queue is respected intensely, to the point of beating up queue jumpers (worse than above), but often it's not with everyone ignoring the queue.
Oct 21, 2018, 11:17 pm
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For the cashiers who just shrug their shoulders and serve the queue jumper first, I have 'spited' myself by waiting for them to serve me, have them ring up all the items, look them in the eye as put my purse back in my handbag, and walk away. (On the old tills everything had to be voided one by one, sometimes with a manager involved. You waste my time, I'll waste yours.)
+1
Oct 23, 2018, 1:12 pm
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This is an irreconcilable cultural difference between India+China vs. everybody else. It does not mean Indians and Chinese are rude. I'd actually argue the opposite, that teaching people not to fend selfishly for themselves is rude, but that's another story.
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
Cultural. Differences.
Please do not label one way "bad" and the other "good."
Oct 29, 2018, 9:06 am
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Oct 29, 2018, 9:42 am
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However, I don't disagree with you and purposelessly avoid so called 'Land of Smiles' after my two short visits there.
Today's news that someone was murdered at local eatery in Bangkok and the owner "attempted to dispose of the body by cooking and serving it to customers" does not generate any appetite (pun intended) to go there any time soon.