All I can say is, if I'm board with you in an emergency evacuation, and you hold me or my wife up while you deal with your pet, I'm going around you . . . or over you. Sorry, but I'm not risking my or my wife's life for your pet.

Every landing I have had has been with shadescup. It wasn't a choice by passengers to make.

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Having had to 'participate' in an evacuation (1970s), I am ready to crawl over seats and bodies to get out. It was mayhem and chaos - and frightening, but fortunately no fire or smoke. And this was a time before passengers toted massive and multiple carry-ons; at most, people had a small bag.

People are notoriously bad at risk assessment, and this includes when there is an emergency. As others have mentioned, people revert to normalcy, which in the case of getting off a plane is to grab baggage. Perhaps the seats nearer the exits can be given to those willing to forego evacuating with their luggage, leaving those who can't/won't manage that sitting further away from the exits and required to exit last, even after the crew. It's about making people think about the situation BEFORE they get on the plane. "Yes, check-in person, I want to leave with my carry-on in the case of an emergency, and am willing to die for the soiled underwear in my carry-on."

Rambling rant...

I am fairly sure what I would do as well because I have been through the FAA's smoke/evac training lab at OKC several times as part of my Air Force and NATO training and have actually had to use the slide once at NATO off the E-3 (707). Listening to the FA's is very important; in terms of opening an emergency hatch on the exit row I have done it many times so likely training would still kick in should it be the proper circumstance. The only minor difference in training I recall with evacs in general is whether to place the hatch inside or outside the aircraft with different orgs have slightly different rules. Otherwise it is a fairly standard worldwide system, even for the militaries.

I was once asked what steps I would take in an Emergency....

Apparently "Effing BIG ones" wasn't the answer they were looking for........:D

(an oldie but a goodie....)

If I remember the news coverage correctly, they had trouble accounting for everyone on board because some people just got off with their luggage and went home. The overrun left them about a 2 minute walk to VSP and Lot C, and almost in Lot B. It was a flight from LAS to BUR, so it's not unusual to have only a small carry-on or just a personal item.

What a ridiculous suggestion.

Exactly how would you track "People who try to get bags" in a smoke filled cabin? Install infrared cameras, maybe? What jurisdiction would they be prosecuted in? Local, state, or are you making it a federal crime? Have the FAA go through the wreckage, and try to ID the owners of bags not in the bins? Of course, bins do come open sometimes on hard landings, so the mere fact a bin is open wouldn't be proof a passenger was guilty of opening it.

Or maybe you want that crime added to the international air travel agreements between countries, so its a world wide crime? :rolleyes:

But, you don't have information; that's the whole point. You may believe that you have information, but fire can spread very quickly.

This is plain ridiculous. If you're leaving the plane in an emergency it is not your responsibility to be avoiding additional obstacles or injury due to baggage being carried by those leaving before and after you.

Sometimes the context is known (Asiana 2013)...


But people still will grab carry-ons and their precious duty free.

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Situational awareness is important. Mine has brought me through safely several times during a varied and interesting career. Mine concludes that if the people running the aircraft give an evacuation order I am not going to stand there because in your infinite wisdom you believe the situation is not so serious and the rest of us should wait while you get your luggage. I am responsible for my own safety and won't compromise mine because of your peculiar need to carry your possessions off a plane that might be on fire. Get moving or get out of the way.

I'm one of the few people I see actually looking for the nearest exits during the safety briefing. My main concern is that if the nearest exit is indeed behind me, it won't matter because I suspect most people's reaction will be to head toward the front of the plane.

I count rows forward and aft as soon as I step on the plane. In the dark in an emergency, I want to know that I can get out by feel. I do something similar with hotels by counting doorways to the emergency exits. I also keep a small flashlight in my purse, which happens to be on my person at all times. It also has my phone, meds, and ID. That's all I need. No need to stop and grab anything - everything I need is on my person. Nothing that can easily fly about or catch on something hindering or injuring myself or someone else.

How many of them died because people stopped to get their luggage? One died because they weren't wearing a seatbelt, one got run over by a fire truck, and one died from being hit by a door.