You forgot to add, you don't get to start a fight on an airplane.

I had to do the opposite of your "get even" button. Guy in front of me was fully reclined during boarding. I couldn't get to my seat without bumping into his headrest. He sat up for takeoff, but was back at full recline as soon as the wheels left the ground. I opened the window shade so the bright sun could shine in his face the rest of the flight.

...and with all due respect, that is where this discussion should have stayed instead of posted in the “Do You Know Who I Am?”: The Definitive Thread of DYKWIA Stories discussion, as it became derailed.

The new home for this discussion is now the TravelBuzz! forum.

Regards,

Canarsie
Co-Moderator, Delta Air Lines | SkyMiles forum

It's "common sense" that the window-seat passenger controls the window but not common sense that the aisle-seat passenger controls access to the aisle?

It's "common sense" that non-window passengers should be fine with the window shade being down for an entire daytime flight, including the landing?

OK; sure. Whatever you say.

"It's not verboten to ask an aisle-seat passenger to get up so a non-aisle passenger can wander about the cabin. Just be aware that if you're in the window seat it's a REQUEST and that you're not in any position to demand anything."

Whether you think these are equivalent hinges on whether you consider the window a personal perk of the seat, like the PTV in the headrest in front of you, or a shared resource like a armrest between two seats.

Personally, I think limiting a person's movements (e.g. denying them access to the aisle, or preventing them from getting into the seat in the first place) is obviously different than having the shade up or down.

My philosophy is, as someone who generally prefers window seats, is that if I don't have a reason for preferring that the shade be up or down, I am perfectly happy to accede to others' requests. But if I want it up to look outside, it's going up, and if I want to watch a movie, it's going down. If it is important to you to control the window shade, WWBW.

And if I expect to want to sleep and I'm in the aisle or middle, my position on that is on record here.

Long haul. Except for quick peaks, shades down. No question.

god i hate people who keep the shades open when there's sunlight coming directly in, esp on short flights.

it's radiation.
it's blocking the avod.
there is no need for it.
this isn't an office just keep it dark.

if window passenger is sleeping and the shade is open while there's light directly coming in causing interference, i'm closing it. it's not "owned" by anyone. plus i dunno how people can sleep in a lit environment, that is really not good for you.

while this wasn't a thing a few years ago, this is sop with all non us airlines, i think ua enforces this too. exit row window shade must be down takeoff landing taxiing and parked.

By down do you mean open or closed? SOP in all of Europe (and the few Asian or Australasian airlines I've been on) is all shades opened during takeoff/landing. I know on some aircraft window shades go up to open on the exits, but that varies by plane and size.

I haven't needed the light out to go to sleep since I was about 5 years old.

It might mess up someones wake/sleep cycle, but on a flight there's likely to be lots of variations anyway. That means it'll be just as good for some as it is bad for others.

Agree. Personally I hate a dark as night cabin on daytime flights other than maybe some three or four hour red-eyes. I don't know why on a 2-3 hour east coast daytime flight it would need to be shades down and dark.

Well, DL is currently running a promo with free premium drinks in SkyClubs for people with a DL Amex. If someone got delayed at ATL and decided to tour a handful of SkyClubs that morning...

Hahaha, been there, done that! Needless to say it wasn't a fun ride on the DC Metro upon arrival...

It baffles me that windows open isn't SOP on every single aircraft worldwide.

Most accidents requiring evacuation are likely to happen on or around take off or landing - you need to be able to see hazards (fire, water) to be able to get off the aircraft alive, you do not need to be trying to open window shades to see those hazards - and that goes for all windows, not just exits - do you want to be trying to get to the back of the plane only to realize there is fire out of those exit doors? All windows, open, take off and landing, always!

C'mon, radiation? Do you wear a HASMAT suit every day?
AVOD? Can't you live without a screen blasting at you every minute?
There's no need for what? Daylight??
No, it isn't an office so why pretend it's a bedroom?

I agree that on red eyes you need consideration but daylight flights...? Would you be asleep if you were on the ground?
It's day time, the sun shines. Converse, read, forget that 6 inch screen, you can live without it. Anyone would think that planes were packed with vampires the way some people want to travel.

Day flight. Non sunny side. Shades up.