Why the need to sit together
#76
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Wow, I didn't realize I would ignite such a firestorm. I took it as a given that most people would understand that a 2 and 4 year old would absolutely NEED to sit together, but apparently not. I assure you that the result was entirely the screw-up of the airline and not at all the result of some kind of entitlement attitude or desire to get out of paying fees on our part. We actually phoned in the reservation for bereavement fares, the one and only time I have made reservations by phone. I am guessing that some lack on the part of the agent caused the screw up that allowed preschoolers to be seated alone in the first place.
Either way, I am slightly shocked at how hostile some people can be about children. Yes they are inconvenient, can be unruly, and even downright unpleasant at times. But we were all children once before, and someone sacrificed to get us where we are today. I just wish that everyone could have a little more tolerance and compassion for others, especially the very young and old.
Either way, I am slightly shocked at how hostile some people can be about children. Yes they are inconvenient, can be unruly, and even downright unpleasant at times. But we were all children once before, and someone sacrificed to get us where we are today. I just wish that everyone could have a little more tolerance and compassion for others, especially the very young and old.
In the other, however, you were engaging in discretionary travel. You chose to fly with your kids and take the risk that previously allocated seats would not be available. You're right -- parents should not be separated from their children. That, however, is not my problem. It's yours to resolve with the airline. I wouldn't have switched seats with you. You had another option -- wait for another flight, or don't engage in discretionary travel with your young children. Thinking that you have a right to someone else's seat because you're traveling with your children is the very definition of entitlement and it cuts no ice with me.
No one owes you special consideration because you're flying with children.
#77
Join Date: Jul 2012
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On Southwest, there's a process known as "Unite the Couple" where they select the window and aisle seat. If you can guess they are a couple, you take the middle seat and call their bluff, forcing one into the middle.
(search for the term on the Southwest board and there are loads of threads about it - unite the couple success, failure, un-unite the couple, ect)
Of course, they could be utterly content to sit apart
(search for the term on the Southwest board and there are loads of threads about it - unite the couple success, failure, un-unite the couple, ect)
Of course, they could be utterly content to sit apart

Now that I know, game on ^
#78
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I find, on flights where you have to pay for snacks and drinks, it's easier for me to sit next to SO as he keeps his wallet in easier reach so I don't have to go rooting in my bag, disrupting everyone and it saves making an order and asking "him 2 rows back 1 aisle over" to pay for it LOL
If it's full service that's not an issue.
Short haul flights, i'm not so fussed about.. in fact if we can't get the 2 seats near the exit then we will purposefully pick 2 aisle seats. Close enough to chat quietly but far enough away for some 'space' but long haul, I'd like to spend the flight with SO but that's just so, like mentioned, we can share the same movies on ipad, we switch plane food round a lot between us and we use each other as a pillow prop.
If it's full service that's not an issue.
Short haul flights, i'm not so fussed about.. in fact if we can't get the 2 seats near the exit then we will purposefully pick 2 aisle seats. Close enough to chat quietly but far enough away for some 'space' but long haul, I'd like to spend the flight with SO but that's just so, like mentioned, we can share the same movies on ipad, we switch plane food round a lot between us and we use each other as a pillow prop.
#79




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Either way, I am slightly shocked at how hostile some people can be about children.
(I made a mistake with my earlier post on this matter. I thought I was replying to the OP when clearly I was not.)
#80


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Let me say that I believe that people have a right to the seats which they are assigned. I certainly am not going to switch my window or aisle for a middle, not on any day.
But to answer the OP's question, on a personal level I find interaction with strangers somewhat stressful and unpleasant, and I find extended physical touching by strangers downright loathsome. I find interaction with people I like to be highly pleasurable. So maybe the reason people want to sit next to people they like is so they can have a highly pleasurable experience rather than an intensely unpleasant one.
I like the fact that more airlines are selling premium seat locations. People who want to sit together can pay a bit more and do so. And it gives a perfect excuse for not exchanging seats with the mother of a child: "Ma'am, I paid extra for this seat because of its premium location, and somebody would have to pay me an awful lot to move out of it and into a middle seat."
But to answer the OP's question, on a personal level I find interaction with strangers somewhat stressful and unpleasant, and I find extended physical touching by strangers downright loathsome. I find interaction with people I like to be highly pleasurable. So maybe the reason people want to sit next to people they like is so they can have a highly pleasurable experience rather than an intensely unpleasant one.
I like the fact that more airlines are selling premium seat locations. People who want to sit together can pay a bit more and do so. And it gives a perfect excuse for not exchanging seats with the mother of a child: "Ma'am, I paid extra for this seat because of its premium location, and somebody would have to pay me an awful lot to move out of it and into a middle seat."
#81




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You provided two situations: in one, you were flying with your children in an emergency -- you had to go to a funeral. Speaking for myself, I always try to help out people in an emergency, and would have switched with you if asked . . . AND the circumstances were explained to me.
In the other, however, you were engaging in discretionary travel. You chose to fly with your kids and take the risk that previously allocated seats would not be available. You're right -- parents should not be separated from their children. That, however, is not my problem. It's yours to resolve with the airline. I wouldn't have switched seats with you. You had another option -- wait for another flight, or don't engage in discretionary travel with your young children. Thinking that you have a right to someone else's seat because you're traveling with your children is the very definition of entitlement and it cuts no ice with me.
No one owes you special consideration because you're flying with children.
In the other, however, you were engaging in discretionary travel. You chose to fly with your kids and take the risk that previously allocated seats would not be available. You're right -- parents should not be separated from their children. That, however, is not my problem. It's yours to resolve with the airline. I wouldn't have switched seats with you. You had another option -- wait for another flight, or don't engage in discretionary travel with your young children. Thinking that you have a right to someone else's seat because you're traveling with your children is the very definition of entitlement and it cuts no ice with me.
No one owes you special consideration because you're flying with children.
Second, as far as I am concerned no one owes me special consideration because I am flying with children. However, the child, who is a paying pax, does deserve special consideration. Just as a disabled pax is rightly entitled to a seat at the front of the plane, a small child-- who is probably in diapers much less capable of visiting the lav or managing a flight by himself/herself-- is rightly entitled to sit with one parent.
Now most airlines find ways that allow status pax to pick seats but also allow small children to sit with a parent. In cases where those systems break down for whatever reason, I think basic consideration for other travellers (which includes the small child and anyone traveling within earshot of the small child) requires that accommodations be made. That's why I suggested a private plane-- because you seemed to have no consideration for other pax, and I think consideration for others is essential when you are travelling on a flying bus. However, I don't really expect you to agree with me-- sounds like you would feel perfectly justified making a 95 yo woman, or a paraplegic pax, take a seat in the last row of the plane before you gave "your" seat up.
#82
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Second, as far as I am concerned no one owes me special consideration because I am flying with children. However, the child, who is a paying pax, does deserve special consideration. Just as a disabled pax is rightly entitled to a seat at the front of the plane, a small child-- who is probably in diapers much less capable of visiting the lav or managing a flight by himself/herself-- is rightly entitled to sit with one parent.
Now most airlines find ways that allow status pax to pick seats but also allow small children to sit with a parent. In cases where those systems break down for whatever reason, I think basic consideration for other travellers (which includes the small child and anyone traveling within earshot of the small child) requires that accommodations be made.
This, by the way, is not just true on airplanes. Having a child does not vest you with superior rights. I can't imagine why you would think it would.
That's why I suggested a private plane-- because you seemed to have no consideration for other pax, and I think consideration for others is essential when you are travelling on a flying bus.
As for private planes, you're the one with the special requirements that, evidently, can't met without you imposing on strangers. Perhaps you should look into that solution.
However, I don't really expect you to agree with me-- sounds like you would feel perfectly justified making a 95 yo woman, or a paraplegic pax, take a seat in the last row of the plane before you gave "your" seat up.
As I said, you have a bizarre understanding of the meaning of, "consideration." Consideration doesn't require my accepting impositions from strangers who are too selfish to take care of their own special needs. Consideration does require you respecting the privacy of other people and not imposing on them because you think you're entitled.
#83
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On most airlines, you can choose your seats in advance, and if booked far enough in advance can be guaranteed adjacent seats (a nearly empty plane at that point
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I envision the following scenario, say a 2 and 4 year old sitting together, very bored with flying (even adults are bored), will start playing "games"--disturbing to the nearby pax; if they are separated this is less likely to occur.
.) I envision the following scenario, say a 2 and 4 year old sitting together, very bored with flying (even adults are bored), will start playing "games"--disturbing to the nearby pax; if they are separated this is less likely to occur.
#84
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I don't care if a couple wants to sit together or not, just make those arrangements in advance when possible. And for the most part I think the airlines are pretty good about keeping very young children with at least one parent.
#85
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I enjoy sitting with my traveling companions; sometimes it's
the only time I get to talk to them, if we're on MRs, for
example.
So I have a flight this Friday with one of my regular Star
mileage hounds, and we had 3BC at booking, some months
ago. Next thing I knew, we lost our seats to 4C and
somewhere in the back of the plane. Last login I moved
us to 12BC, the exit row, which had opened up, but
apparently that didn't take ... crap on Continental,
crap on Shares.
the only time I get to talk to them, if we're on MRs, for
example.
So I have a flight this Friday with one of my regular Star
mileage hounds, and we had 3BC at booking, some months
ago. Next thing I knew, we lost our seats to 4C and
somewhere in the back of the plane. Last login I moved
us to 12BC, the exit row, which had opened up, but
apparently that didn't take ... crap on Continental,
crap on Shares.
#86
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Funny how this 'compassion' thing only goes one way: towards the parents travelling with kids.
Does a honeymoon couple trump a family with (school age) kids who want to sit together? Do the needs of someone with medical reasons for choosing an aisle seat count for nothing compared to a family that wants to sit together?
Do we distinguish between a family who 'wants' to sit together and a family that genuinely 'needs' to sit together?
When are folks (with or without families) going to learn rule number one for improving your chances at a successful seat swap: do NOT ask me to surrender what I consider a 'good' seat for a lesser one!
Example: I'm seated in the aisle seat of a 2-seat exit row. Row behind has three seats, is actually less pitch than other rows in coach (I've made the mistake of sitting there!). Rows are slightly offset, so the window seat of the full row only has 'half' a seat in front - one leg can stretch out, and the window pax can squeeze out alongside the fuselage.
Pax in row 2 window seat comes up to me. He tells me that the lady next to him is his wife and we (he and I) have to switch seats so they can sit together. I politely say 'no, thanks'. Guy goes on and on, louder and louder - she's his wife (middle-aged), they have to sit together, his seat is plenty of extra legroom (I have about 6 feet of 'legroom' in front of me, so this is a real joke). Interestingly, during the entire discussion, the wife never says a word.
Never crossed the guy's mind that he might have had much better luck asking the middle seat pax in his row to swap with the wife's exit row, unlimited leg room seat.
Does a honeymoon couple trump a family with (school age) kids who want to sit together? Do the needs of someone with medical reasons for choosing an aisle seat count for nothing compared to a family that wants to sit together?
Do we distinguish between a family who 'wants' to sit together and a family that genuinely 'needs' to sit together?
When are folks (with or without families) going to learn rule number one for improving your chances at a successful seat swap: do NOT ask me to surrender what I consider a 'good' seat for a lesser one!
Example: I'm seated in the aisle seat of a 2-seat exit row. Row behind has three seats, is actually less pitch than other rows in coach (I've made the mistake of sitting there!). Rows are slightly offset, so the window seat of the full row only has 'half' a seat in front - one leg can stretch out, and the window pax can squeeze out alongside the fuselage.
Pax in row 2 window seat comes up to me. He tells me that the lady next to him is his wife and we (he and I) have to switch seats so they can sit together. I politely say 'no, thanks'. Guy goes on and on, louder and louder - she's his wife (middle-aged), they have to sit together, his seat is plenty of extra legroom (I have about 6 feet of 'legroom' in front of me, so this is a real joke). Interestingly, during the entire discussion, the wife never says a word.
Never crossed the guy's mind that he might have had much better luck asking the middle seat pax in his row to swap with the wife's exit row, unlimited leg room seat.
#87




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With my wife and kids I like us to all sit together. But I travel quite a lot with my business partner, who always chooses aisle whereas I prefer window. Whenever anyone suggests sitting together, we say it's fine like this. When on the road we're only apart when we go to bed (fortunately!), and sitting (slightly) away from each other provides a nice break from work conversations.
#88
Join Date: May 2011
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My co-workers and I purposely make sure that we are not sitting together. I see them enough at work I don't need extra time with them.
Unless someone is working togehter on a specific project where they need to sit together, I don't understand why people would purposely want to sit with their co-workers.
Unless someone is working togehter on a specific project where they need to sit together, I don't understand why people would purposely want to sit with their co-workers.
#89
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I travel with a friend on occasion. We do not attempt to get seats together, sometimes we are lucky and get isle seats across from each other. We make no huge effort. Our thought is, as others have posted, we will see each other the whole trip, sitting together isn't important. More often than not, for at least one flight, we are on a red eye anyway, where we are both trying to get to sleep, not trying to converse with each other. So the only time I have sympathy with seating issues is by passengers who have children, who haven't booked early enough to secure seats together.
#90


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The airlines make this a problem too in that they allow "Status" flyers the option of the entire plane. It isn't unsual to find a seating plan where aisle seating is booked leaving not option for lets say families. One way to solve this would be to perhaps save 1 or 2 rows in the back for families with children and should there be none open these seats up during OLCI.

