Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way.
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46. You are enjoying the sand and surf in sunny Nassau when the boss calls and says he needs you to fly up to cloudy Akron, Ohio A.S.A.P. Turning to your trusty pocket flight guide, you’re surprised and delighted to discover that a single two stop direct flight is offered in this market. Identify the airline, the aircraft utilized and the two enroute stops you’ll make along the way.
Ah, perhaps this was Florida Express (ZO) operating a BAC One-Eleven on a routing of Nassau (NAS) - Orlando (MCO) - Cincinnati (CVG) - Akron (CAK).
Ah... perhaps it was! Now about that routing, you're pretty close. Let's save a bit of time here and cut to the chase. Here's the routing:
Florida Express #603 ~ BAC-111
NAS-FLL 610p - 700p
FLL-MCO 725p - 830p
MCO-CAK 920p - 1150p
Ah, perhaps this was Florida Express (ZO) operating a BAC One-Eleven on a routing of Nassau (NAS) - Orlando (MCO) - Cincinnati (CVG) - Akron (CAK).
Ah... perhaps it was! Now about that routing, you're pretty close. Let's save a bit of time here and cut to the chase. Here's the routing:
Florida Express #603 ~ BAC-111
NAS-FLL 610p - 700p
FLL-MCO 725p - 830p
MCO-CAK 920p - 1150p
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Here are the remaining questions. Let's get these polished off now as jlemon is patiently waiting in the wings with an entirely new batch for your consideration..
Go get 'em, boys! I've got flights to catch!
THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IS 1987
47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.
HINT: Both aircraft were wide-bodies.
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48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.
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52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.
HINT: Both aircraft types were built in the Pacific Northwest...
70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.
73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?
75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?
HINT: C'mon now - this one's a gimme!
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77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.
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81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?
WHBM Bonus Question 1: What was the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew?
A N S W E R E D
WHBM Bonus question 2: What was the longest overall flight (inevitably multi-stop) the One-Eleven ever held down?
A N S W E R E D
Go get 'em, boys! I've got flights to catch!
THE TIMELINE FOR THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IS 1987
47. During the latter half of 1987 only one airline was operating scheduled nonstop flights between Canada and San Juan, Puerto Rico. Flights operated twice weekly from a single Canadian city, but with a different aircraft type each day. Identify the airline, the Canadian city it departed from and the two different aircraft types operated on the route.
HINT: Both aircraft were wide-bodies.
A N S W E R E D
48. Following yet another hectic commute into the city on the Long Island Expressway, you’re pleasantly surprised when you find a message on your answering machine from an old business associate asking if you can join her for a weekend of sunshine and golf at the exclusive Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. A quick call to your travel agent reveals a thrice weekly jet flight from JFK into the nearby airport at Greenbrier (LWB). Identify the airline and the aircraft used on this flight.
A N S W E R E D
52. You’ve just won a porcupine grooming contest in Fredericksburg, Virginia! Awright!! Your prize: a pair of new gloves and a long weekend at the Hilton Rose Hall in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Unfortunately your prize doesn’t include airfare from your home in Alexandria, Virginia to Jamaica. Well, dang! Further complicating your travel plans is that your wife refuses to fly on Air Jamaica. It’s a long story… Imagine then your surprise and delight upon discovering an airline that flies nonstop between Washington Dulles and Montego Bay twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. The southbound flight on Thursday is operated in an all economy configuration while the northbound flight on Sunday uses a different aircraft type and offers both First Class and Coach. Identify the airline and the respective aircraft it employs on each flight.
HINT: Both aircraft types were built in the Pacific Northwest...
70. You’ve just spent a week in Hawaii. It’s been fun but, with a week left in your vacation you’d like to go somewhere a bit less touristy. But only a bit. How about Tahiti? Consulting your trusty OAG, you discover not one, not two but THREE airlines that offer nonstop service between Honolulu and Papeete. Identify each airline and the respective aircraft it operated on this route.
73. Egyptair operated a one stop flight twice a week between Cairo and New York JFK. Where was the enroute stop made and what type of aircraft was used?
75. This airline operated an L-1011 every day except Tuesday and Thursday between Brussels and New York JFK. Which airline is it?
HINT: C'mon now - this one's a gimme!
A N S W E R E D
77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.
A N S W E R E D
81. If you were to fly into Orlando on a DC-8-61/63 operated by a foreign carrier, which airline would you be flying on and from which foreign airport would your flight have originated?
WHBM Bonus Question 1: What was the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew?
A N S W E R E D
WHBM Bonus question 2: What was the longest overall flight (inevitably multi-stop) the One-Eleven ever held down?
A N S W E R E D
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Let me try and consolidate this one :
and just to help with the geographical location of said domestic flights :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B...rojection).svg
WHBM Bonus Question: What was the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew?
- Larger than a Tristar
- Aircraft recently mentioned in this thread
- Domestic flights with this aircraft type lasted to the mid-1990s
- Operated multiple times a day each way
- Not Highland Express or BA
and just to help with the geographical location of said domestic flights :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B...rojection).svg
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77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.
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77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.
Air Afrique DC-10, continuing to other points in west Africa?
An excellent guess, especially considering Air Afrique's network through West Africa. However, in this instance it was a different airline...
Air Afrique DC-10, continuing to other points in west Africa?
An excellent guess, especially considering Air Afrique's network through West Africa. However, in this instance it was a different airline...
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77. A planned ski vacation in the Catskills is rudely interrupted when you receive a call on Friday afternoon informing you that your services are required in Monrovia, Liberia. As soon as possible, please. Right. A quick call to your company travel department reveals a First Class seat is available aboard this airline’s once weekly nonstop service, departing JFK on Saturday afternoon. Identify the airline and the equipment used.[B]
OK, what about their neighbours, Nigeria Airways, continuing to Lagos, possibly stopping at Accra as well, also with a DC-10.
Bingo! Here's the schedule:
WT 853 JFK-ROB 1630-0515 D10 Frequency: Saturday only
This flight continued on to Lagos, terminating there.
OK, what about their neighbours, Nigeria Airways, continuing to Lagos, possibly stopping at Accra as well, also with a DC-10.
Bingo! Here's the schedule:
WT 853 JFK-ROB 1630-0515 D10 Frequency: Saturday only
This flight continued on to Lagos, terminating there.
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Florida Express #603 ~ BAC-111
NAS-FLL 610p - 700p
FLL-MCO 725p - 830p
MCO-CAK 920p - 1150p
NAS-FLL 610p - 700p
FLL-MCO 725p - 830p
MCO-CAK 920p - 1150p
Bonus question 2 : What was the longest overall flight (inevitably multi-stop) the One-Eleven ever held down.
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And obviously the NAS-FLL-MCO-CAK routing flown by Air Florida was not the longest which I calculate at 864 statute miles based on the airport-to-airport segments.
Now there were some fairly lengthy routings flown by Braniff International here in the states commencing back in the mid 1960's.
For example, one of the first routes flown by Braniff with the BAC One-Eleven was New Orleans - Shreveport - Tulsa - Kansas City - Des Moines - Minneapolis/St. Paul with a distance of 1,176 miles.
But that was not their longest One-Eleven route.
Brownsville - Corpus Christi - Houston Hobby - Dallas Love - Oklahoma City - Wichita - Kansas City - Chicago comes in at 1,482 miles.
However, this routing was not the longest, either.
The longest routing I can find flown by Braniff with the One-Eleven was San Antonio - Dallas Love - Memphis - Nashville - Washington National - New York Newark with an airport to airport segment distance of 1,631 miles.
But again, one wonders if there may have been a longer BAC One-Eleven routing, say between the U.K. and Africa.
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N7001U
And after a bit of a delay, N7001U got airborne this morning with a picturesque departure from Paine Field (KPAE) for a short flight over to Boeing Field (KBFI) and the Museum of Flight where a fairly large crowd awaited her arrival.
It also appears the festivities are still underway at the Museum of Flight:
http://livestream.com/museumofflight.com/events
You may get a "page not found" message. If so, simply click on "find events to watch" and then scroll down to the 727 coverage (if it's still in progress).
It also appears the festivities are still underway at the Museum of Flight:
http://livestream.com/museumofflight.com/events
You may get a "page not found" message. If so, simply click on "find events to watch" and then scroll down to the 727 coverage (if it's still in progress).
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Bonus question 2 : What was the longest overall flight (inevitably multi-stop) the One-Eleven ever held down.
BCal used to run a BAC-111 up to London from down in West Africa somewhere, I'm thinking Monrovia or Freetown. And there was a stop in the Canary Islands. I'm almost positive it also routed through Lisbon as well. We discussed this here sometime back but darned if I can find it. I suppose I could look it up in the OAG but that wouldn't be any fun and besides - I'm here in Raleigh, NC dining on seafood bisque in the Admirals Club ^ I'll be back home on Saturday night.
P.S. I'll be at an airline collectibles convention at SFO on Saturday morning. Should I be looking for anything in particular...? (Besides a model of the NASA 747-123 with the space shuttle atop it)
BCal used to run a BAC-111 up to London from down in West Africa somewhere, I'm thinking Monrovia or Freetown. And there was a stop in the Canary Islands. I'm almost positive it also routed through Lisbon as well. We discussed this here sometime back but darned if I can find it. I suppose I could look it up in the OAG but that wouldn't be any fun and besides - I'm here in Raleigh, NC dining on seafood bisque in the Admirals Club ^ I'll be back home on Saturday night.
P.S. I'll be at an airline collectibles convention at SFO on Saturday morning. Should I be looking for anything in particular...? (Besides a model of the NASA 747-123 with the space shuttle atop it)
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Bonus question 2 : What was the longest overall flight (inevitably multi-stop) the One-Eleven ever held down.
BCal used to run a BAC-111 up to London from down in West Africa somewhere, I'm thinking Monrovia or Freetown. And there was a stop in the Canary Islands. I'm almost positive it also routed through Lisbon as well. We discussed this here sometime back but darned if I can find it. I suppose I could look it up in the OAG but that wouldn't be any fun and besides - I'm here in Raleigh, NC dining on seafood bisque in the Admirals Club ^ I'll be back home on Saturday night.
P.S. I'll be at an airline collectibles convention at SFO on Saturday morning. Should I be looking for anything in particular...? (Besides a model of the NASA 747-123 with the space shuttle atop it)
BCal used to run a BAC-111 up to London from down in West Africa somewhere, I'm thinking Monrovia or Freetown. And there was a stop in the Canary Islands. I'm almost positive it also routed through Lisbon as well. We discussed this here sometime back but darned if I can find it. I suppose I could look it up in the OAG but that wouldn't be any fun and besides - I'm here in Raleigh, NC dining on seafood bisque in the Admirals Club ^ I'll be back home on Saturday night.
P.S. I'll be at an airline collectibles convention at SFO on Saturday morning. Should I be looking for anything in particular...? (Besides a model of the NASA 747-123 with the space shuttle atop it)
And tasty seafood bisque in the Admirals Club?!? Good Lord, what is the world coming to?!? Next thing you know, AA might even introduce upscale red wine in domestic first!!
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Alaska's First Class wines this month are
Chateau Ste. Michelle Indian Wells Chardonnay
Chateau Ste. Michelle Indian Wells Cabernet Sauvignon
The cab ain't bad as domestic reds go. I overheard the passenger across the aisle describe the Chardonnay as "frisky".
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Originally Posted by jlemon and Seat 2A
I believe you may be correct. I think British Caledonian (BR) did operate BAC One-Eleven service on a routing of London Gatwick - Lisbon - Las Palmas - Bathurst, Gambia (now Banjul) - Freetown, Sierra Leone. I'm not sure about the distance but it was probably in excess of 3,000 miles
BUA / B Cal did serve Monrovia as well, but the One-Eleven flew overhead there, and it was served by VC-10s as a tag onto the direct nonstop that B Cal flew to these points.
Article I read by an old BUA aircrew described it. The same crew stayed with the aircraft throughout. Two pilots, steward, stewardess (always one of each), and the aircraft carried an engineer to handle any issues down the line and sign the aircraft off each day. At Las Palmas the passengers and crew were accommodated in different hotels, which seemed a sensible approach, especially as the crew one, unknown to BUA management, had a nightclub, apparently installed after the original ops assessments had been made By the time they got home there was a BUA legend that the First Officer and the Stewardess would likely have had an enjoyable trip .....
The longest sectors operated by a One-Eleven were likely by Laker Airways on their holiday flights from Gatwick nonstop to Las Palmas and Tenerife. Nobody else attempted this run with One-Elevens, but Freddie Laker for years took holidaymakers in an economical way with a range of operational tactics to achieve it, starting with limiting everyone to just 15kg baggage. It's 1,809 miles to Tenerife, generally takes about 4 hours. The Spanish holiday airlines all had 4-engined aircraft to handle flights there, they had to do even longer sectors to Germany and Scandinavia. Which is why Spantax started to build up their Convair Coronado fleet as soon as they started coming on to the market. But that would be a lot more expense than a One-Eleven.
Seeing as I'm here I'll close out
WHBM Bonus Question: What was the last domestic scheduled flight in the British Isles that required a flight engineer and a 3-man crew?
Did we mention these aircraft a few days ago ? Yes we did, when one of them had been leased out for the winter months.
Originally Posted by Seat 2A
I have a postcard of a 747 wearing a hybrid Aer Lingus/Air Jamaica livery
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