jrl767

ok, the presence of first class means this HAS to be a Lockheed Electra operated by National Airlines ... now for stops, I'd reckon Mobile (MOB), Pensacola (PNS), Jacksonville (JAX), Orlando (MCO? or were they still using ORL?), West Palm Beach (PBI), and Miami (MIA)

jlemon

22. DEN, LAX, MSP, SFO and SLC are all correct! I think these aircraft were actually Boeing 707-139 models. Western would then subsequently remove these particular 707s from their fleet which meant at one point the only jet type they were operating was the turbofan Boeing 720B before they acquired Pacific Northern Airlines and inherited PNA's turbojet Boeing 720 aircraft.

WA would then reintroduce Boeing 707 equipment in later years in the form of the 707-320 series....but I'm unsure whether these were 320B or 320C models.

BTW, back in August of 1962, Western was operating their 720Bs into such destinations as MEX, PDX, PHX and SEA in addition to LAX and SFO. And also at this time, WA was not operating jet equipment into LAS and SAN which were served instead with Lockheed L-188 Electras and Douglas DC-6Bs.

30. Correct! Western was operating one round trip a day on a SAN-LGB-SFO routing with the Electra and would eventually cease serving the Long Beach market.

jlemon

45. National Airlines with Lockheed L-188 Electra service featuring first class and coach (classes A/T) is correct!

Of course, the routing was a bit different and here it is....

NA 372: New Orleans-Mobile-Pensacola-Panama City-Tampa-Orlando-Miami-Key West
Op: Daily
Equip: "Electra PROP JET"
Note: 7:30am departure from MSY with a 2:45pm arrival in EYW

NA 372 was the only flight operated by National into Key West at this time. The Electra was then turned around and departed back to MIA, of course.... but the flight then took a different routing to its eventual final destination (which was not MSY).

So here's a follow up question: what was the routing of this Electra flight back in 1968 after the initial northbound EYW-MIA leg? ANSWERED

BTW, National would eventually replace their Electra service with a daily MIA-EYW round trip operated with a Boeing 727-100 before ceasing all service into Key West.....

jrl767

WA operated a handful of 707-347Cs ... we talked about these a couple months ago, and a year or so earlier I posed a question about them in Combi service LAX-SFO-SEA-ANC in the late 70s/early 80s

my first jet flights (May 1962) were on WA 720Bs (WA 604 LAX-PDX-SEA and WA 623 SEA-SFO-LAX); my dad was in the Air Force's Minuteman project office and had to attend a week-long meeting at Boeing, so he took a couple extra days of leave and brought my mom and sister and me to see the World's Fair

jlemon

And we have breaking news concerning little ole Lafayette Regional Airport (LFT) here in south Louisiana.....

Delta has announced they will commence mainline jet service with the Boeing 717-200 on a LFT-ATL routing early this July. And at the same time, Delta Connection will initiate CRJ-900 service LFT-ATL as well. Other LFT-ATL flights will continue to be operated by DL Connection with CRJ-200 equipment. At present, the largest aircraft type operated by DL Connection into LFT is the CRJ-700.

This move by Delta will mark the return of major airline service with a mainline aircraft type to the Lafayette market. Back in the day, Continental operated Boeing 737-300 or 737-500 flights LFT-IAH before turning all service over to Continental Express with Embraer ERJ-135/145 equipment. And at one point, Allegiant was operating an MD-80 nonstop LFT-LAS twice a week but then jumped out of the market about as quickly as they jumped in.

It will be interesting to see if this increase in capacity by DL works here. Meantime, I keep hoping that American Eagle will do something sexy with regard to the aircraft they operate on the LFT-DFW route (instead of replacing small Embraer ERJs with small Canadair CRJs)......

WHBM

In an uncanny coincidence, on the day these first flight questions were being posed here in the thread, the chief test pilot on a number of them passed away.

http://www.pprune.org/flight-testing...ml#post8476516

Jock Bryce was in charge of the first flight of a number of the aircraft from Vickers/BAC in those questions of ours, and others. Viscount, Vanguard, VC-10, One-Eleven and others, he was the one up front.

He gave up the arduous job in 1965 at the age of 44, being succeeded by Brian Trubshaw (later the first to fly Concorde), and became Sales Director at BAC, where he oversaw many of the One-Eleven sales. It seems a number of the formal presentations to airlines were followed by a "quick whizz" with him up front.

jrl767

and I recently saw where the 50th anniversary of first flight of the Super VC-10 was last week

Indelaware

Could any one help me? I wonder if there was ever a CO/PE joint livery as there was a CO/NY livery:

jlemon

I think there may have been an interim livery where the PeoplExpress name was removed from the aircraft and the Continental name was applied along with the red CO "jetstream" logo on the tail.....I seem to recall seeing a B747 with the CO name and the PE livery.

Update: and I've now found a photo of this B747 on airliners.net under B747 and Continental, being N604PE, a B747-243B.

moondog

I have a new question, to which I don't know the complete answer.

In the summer of 1998, AA scheduled and began selling tickets on flights between several previously unserved US cities and NRT. What were these cities? Why didn't the routes pan out? What airlines serve these markets now?

jlemon

And I also think there may have been an interim Continental-PeoplExpress livery with former PE Boeing 727-200 aircraft.....

BTW, if you'll kindly refer to posts 4816 and 4817 above, you will see that we still have five quiz items that remain unanswered from my recent set.

The old OTA&AQ appears to have throttled back to flight idle at the moment with regard to responses to these quiz items; however, I'll let them sit out there for at least another week before I begin to provide answers.....

jlemon

And I will go ahead and answer the above follow up question....

At this time, National was operating exactly one flight a day into and out of San Diego. Here's the inbound sched....

NA 272: JAX-MCO-TPA-MSY-HOU-LAX-SAN
Op: Daily
Equip: "Electra II PROP JET" (configured with first and coach)
Note: NA 272 departed JAX at 8:40am and arrived in SAN at 4:35pm

The Electra then sat on ground in San Diego for over seven hours before the outbound flight departed as a red eye....

NA 266: SAN-LAX-HOU-MSY-MIA
Op: Daily
Equip: "Electra II PROP JET" (configured with first and coach)
Note: NA 266 departed SAN at 11:50pm and arrived in MIA at 11:30am

Icecat

25. Fill in the blanks concerning the following airline marketing statement:

"The __________ Caravelle. Quietest jet in the world joins the World's Largest Jet Fleet. And in all the ________, only _________ has it."
Captivating, USA, United

Icecat

10. United was also operating several "Men Only" flights at this time. Two of these flights departed Chicago at 5:00pm local each weekday to different destinations. Name both destinations and the equipment used on each flight. In addition, UA had very specific and different descriptive names to identify each of these flights. What were the names used to describe these flights? Partially answered...ORD-EWR correctly identified....still looking for the other route from ORD
Wasn't the second Executive Class flight to LGA?

Icecat

11. Besides the "Men Only" service offered by United from Chicago, the airline was also operating this same type of "Men Only" service between two other city pairs in a different area of the U.S. at this time. Name both of the airports served by these flights as well as the equipment flown on the service. Also, UA used very descriptive and different names to identify these flights depending on the direction of travel. What were these names?
This as to be the LAX-SFO market operated with a 720, but I can't come up with the names.