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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Nov 25, 20, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Please limit your response to two quiz items per day so that all may participate. And as always we are looking for specific answers concerning the equipment with an example being the B727-100 and B727-200 being considered as two different aircraft types. When in doubt concerning the equipment, let the OAG aircraft codes be your guide.

The 1960's...

3. Fill in the blank concerning the aircraft type featured in this manufacturer's 1967 print ad:

"It has been proved.....that 15 passengers cover the direct operating cost of a _____(aircraft)_____ on a 260 mile stage....."

Hint: the above aircraft in question was a twin engine jet

The 1970's...

9. Fill in the blank concerning this 1970 airline print ad:

"In case you didn't know it, we have Super DC-9's with extra leg room at every seat; one of the best on-time records in the business; an improved in-flight service including instant breakfast, hot chocolate, continental breakfast and free stamps, breakfasts, dinners, and snacks on more flights. In case you didn't know it. ____(airline)____" It wasn't Allegheny, North Central, Ozark or Texas International. The specific aircraft type was the DC9-30.

12. Now you are in Brasilia in 1975 and are heading to Tokyo. Several airlines will be involved and you would like to have enough time at your connecting city for a quick business lunch. You find this trip is possible via the city you want to connect through just once a week. Your first flight will be nonstop and your second flight will make one stop en route. Your second flight is also a joint operation conducted by two air carriers. You'll have a leisurely four hours and 40 minutes to make your connection and thus plenty of time for your business lunch. Name all three airlines, the connecting city, the stop made by the second flight and the respective aircraft types operated on each flight. Hint: the connection was made in South America

The next seven quiz items all have a time line of 1979....

16. This airline was operating direct one stop service six days a week from Houston to Toronto. Name the airline, the airport in the Houston area the flight in question departed from, the stop and the aircraft type. Hint: the air carrier in question only operated a total of four departures a day from the Houston area with two flights a day each to just two destinations at this time

17. You've just stepped off a sailboat at sunset in the harbor in Old San Juan and must now fly to Anchorage for a meeting. Quick research reveals that you will be able to depart SJU the next morning and arrive into ANC before 9:00 pm that same day. Two airlines and a connection will be involved and you'll be in first class on both flights. Your first flight will make two stops en route to your connecting city where you'll have just under one and one-half hours to connect. Your second flight will be nonstop. Identify both air carriers, the two stops made by the first flight, the connecting city and the two respective aircraft types operated. ANSWERED

18. Now you are in Milwaukee and are on your way to New York City. You're in no rush and have found an interesting milk run flight which makes five stops en route with a circuitous routing. Name the airline, all five stops in order, the NYC airport you will arrive into and the aircraft type. Southern operating a DC9-10 MKE - MEM - ___ - MOB - ATL - IAD - LGA. Still looking for the second stop....which wasn't JAN or GPT.

20. Following a lovely visit with your friends in Toronto, business calls which means a trip to Tucson. Surprisingly, you find there is a direct flight from YYZ to TUS which operates six days a week and makes four stops en route. Identify the air carrier, all four stops in order and the aircraft type. Republic operating a DC9-50 with DTW being the first stop. This flight did not stop at ORD....but it did stop at MKE and MSP. So we are still looking for one missing stop here as well as the correct order of the four stops.

21. The meeting in Tucson went well; however, a follow up meeting is now called for in nearby Phoenix. You're booked on a morning nonstop to PHX which operates daily and departs TUS at 7:40 am. What airline will you be flying with and what is the equipment operated on this flight? ANSWERED

22. The meeting in Phoenix also was successful and now it's time to head to Washington, D.C. You're in no rush and have found an interesting multi-stop flight which operates a circuitous routing. This service makes four stops en route, operates six days a week and arrives into National Airport (DCA). You book a seat in first class. Name the air carrier you will be flying with, the four stops in order and the aircraft type. Hint: first you fly north and then you fly east

23. A last minute change in plans now requires you to fly from Phoenix to Boston instead of Washington, D.C. No problem! You find the first departure of the day from PHX to BOS is a two stop direct flight which operates six days a week. Ah, what's this? No first class is offered on this flight as the aircraft is in an all-coach configuration? No problem again as you are able to book a window seat in the front of the cabin. What airline will you be flying with, where will the two stops be made and what is the equipment? ANSWERED

The 1980's.....

24. You are in Houston in 1980 when the phone rings. And this is what you hear: "Hey man, we are in Mazatlan and I need an extra crewmember to help sail the cat back home to Santa Barbara! Can you help your old sailing buddy out?!" Well, of course you can! You quickly ascertain that one airline can get you into MZT just after 12 noon via a connection with a connecting time of just over one and one-half hours. Your first flight will be nonstop and breakfast will be served while your second flight will be nonstop as well with lunch being served. Identify the airport you will depart from in the Houston area, the air carrier, the connecting city and the different aircraft types operated on each flight. Hint: the connection was not made at an airport in Texas

25. Now it's 1982 and you are in Winnipeg. This time you really do need to travel to Washington D.C. and are booked on a daily direct flight that will make one stop en route. Name the airline, the stop, the airport you will arrive into in the Washington, D.C. area and the equipment. ANSWERED

27. Fill in the blank concerning this print ad run by a U.S.-based airline:

THE NEW OWNERS OF ___(airline)___ INVITE YOU TO FIND OUT JUST HOW GOOD AN AIRLINE CAN BE IN 1984.

ANSWERED....it was Western


Hint for # 29 and # 30: The same aircraft type was operated on both flights

29. It's 1988 and you are en route from Indianapolis to San Antonio for a lunch meeting the next day on the Riverwalk on board the only direct flight that operates from IND to SAT. This service operates daily and makes one stop. Identify the airline, the stop and the equipment.

30. The lunch meeting in San Antonio went well and you are now on your way to Milwaukee on board a daily direct flight that makes one stop en route. Name the air carrier, the stop and the aircraft type.
And we continue to make good progress here.....

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Old Nov 25, 20, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
21. Well, there is another possibility as the air carrier in question wasn't Continental. And here's a hint: this flight was operated with a B727-100 with an all Y-class configuration.
21- after extensive wracking of brain I have remembered that USAir had a few stray 727-100s, and deployed them on some of their new westward route map expansions

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23. A last minute change in plans now requires you to fly from Phoenix to Boston instead of Washington, D.C. No problem! You find the first departure of the day from PHX to BOS is a two stop direct flight which operates six days a week. Ah, what's this? No first class is offered on this flight as the aircraft is in an all-coach configuration? No problem again as you are able to book a window seat in the front of the cabin. What airline will you be flying with, where will the two stops be made and what is the equipment?
23- would this perhaps be the same USAir 727-100 flight that originated TUS? if so, the second stop was doubtless Pittsburgh/PIT; the first maybe Indianapolis/IND
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Old Nov 25, 20, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
21- after extensive wracking of brain I have remembered that USAir had a few stray 727-100s, and deployed them on some of their new westward route map expansions

23- would this perhaps be the same USAir 727-100 flight that originated TUS? if so, the second stop was doubtless Pittsburgh/PIT; the first maybe Indianapolis/IND
21. Correct!

23.
And yes, # 21 and # 23 do have something in common as they concern the same service operated by USAir.

However, while Pittsburgh was indeed the second stop on the flight from PHX to BOS, the first stop made by this service was not made at Indianapolis.
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Old Nov 26, 20, 12:44 am
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Well, they would have placed an order for BAC One-Eleven aircraft, of course.
They could of course have taken over the ones that Air West inherited.

So a bonus question. How could Air West possibly have been involved with a BAC One-Eleven order ?
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They could of course have taken over the ones that Air West inherited.

So a bonus question. How could Air West possibly have been involved with a BAC One-Eleven order ?
Well, I believe it was the intention of Bonanza Air Lines to operate the BAC One-Eleven but they may have been prevented from doing so by the CAB before they could take delivery of several of the aircraft.

Bonanza ended up ordering the DC9-10, of course, so perhaps their One-Elevens were still on the BAC order list when the merger with Pacific and West Coast was consummated forming Air West.

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25. Last guess from me, re: stop. DTW.
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23. I will say Cleveland Hopkins.

27. Western Airlines
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Old Nov 26, 20, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM
So a bonus question. How could Air West possibly have been involved with a BAC One-Eleven order ?
Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Well, I believe it was the intention of Bonanza Air Lines to operate the BAC One-Eleven but they may have been prevented from doing so by the CAB before they could take delivery of several of the aircraft.
I concur. I remember this coming up a few years ago relative to a question here. Was there ever a threat of some type of sanctions on Bonanza if it went through with the order? I believe Bonanza also ordered the DC-9-30 but was merged into Airwest before the aircraft was delivered.
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25. Last guess from me, re: stop. DTW.
25. Alas! It was not Detroit....and so, we thus request one final bonus guess from you, sir!
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I concur. I remember this coming up a few years ago relative to a question here. Was there ever a threat of some type of sanctions on Bonanza if it went through with the order? I believe Bonanza also ordered the DC-9-30 but was merged into Airwest before the aircraft was delivered.
If I recall correctly, CAB took the position that if Bonanza as a local service air carrier began new jet operations with the BAC One-Eleven, those jet routes would not be profitable and the airline would therefore have to receive a federal subsidy for such operations.

However, it could be argued the CAB was instead taking a protectionist approach in order for a U.S. manufacturer to be given the opportunity to provide new jet equipment to Bonanza instead of BAC.

I also think the same CAB scenario played out at Mohawk. But Mohawk persevered with regard to the One-Eleven while Bonanza apparently decided they did not want to spend time fighting the CAB and ordered the DC9 instead. Aloha apparently persevered as well concerning the One-Eleven.

On the other hand, it appears that American and Braniff, being larger trunk air carriers of course, had much less difficulty with the CAB with regard to their respective intentions to operate One-Eleven aircraft.

BTW, Happy Thanksgiving! to those folks who are observing this U.S. holiday. And in the words of a distinctly unquenchable Hobbit from many years ago, it "snowed food and rained drink" at our home as we hosted a "Gran Cajun Feast du Thanksgiving" here for most of Lady K's local family members with everyone appearing to be unspeakably happy at the moment.
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I concur. I remember this coming up a few years ago relative to a question here. Was there ever a threat of some type of sanctions on Bonanza if it went through with the order? I believe Bonanza also ordered the DC-9-30 but was merged into Airwest before the aircraft was delivered.
Yes, there are different versions, but piecing it all together the Local Service Carriers (Bonanza, Pacific, West Coast etc) which never made much money and looked rather financially ropey, were aided by a CAB-administered federal loan guarantee for new aircraft, which had allowed them to order F-27s, and potentially One-Elevens, instead of their previous hand-me-down DC3s. For the One-Eleven Frontier placed letters of intent with BAC for 6, Ozark likewise for 5, then actual orders were put in for Bonanza, with 3, and Mohawk with 4 - whereupon Douglas called in an old favour in Washington, and the loan guarantees were threatened with withdrawal if they ordered non-US aircraft. There had been a previous iteration of this in the mid-1950s when the Fokker F-27 was first mooted, which brought about the Fairchild licence-built F-27 (more different to the Fokker than you might think, starting with being built with US Customary measurements and tools instead of metric). This put most off, but Mohawk, seemingly little-subsidised anyway, stuck out and built up their large fleet. The others stepped back.

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23. I will say Cleveland Hopkins.

27. Western Airlines
23. Yep! Here's the complete sched concerning quiz items # 21 and # 23....and please note that USAir was still using the Allegheny airline code at this time.

AL 32: Tucson (TUS) 7:40a - 8:14a Phoenix (PHX) 8:50a - 2:23p Cleveland (CLE) 2:55p - 3:29p Pittsburgh (PIT) 4:05p - 5:23p Boston (BOS)
Freq: Daily except Saturday
Service class: Y
Meal services: Breakfast PHX-CLE, Snack PIT-BOS
Equip: B727-100
Note: On Saturdays, AL 32 operated as AL 34 flying the same sched TUS-PHX-CLE-PIT and then continued on PIT-CMH-SDF-IAH

27. Correct! Here's the Western print ad....

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... it "snowed food and rained drink" at our home as we hosted a "Gran Cajun Feast du Thanksgiving" here for most of Lady K's local family members with everyone appearing to be unspeakably happy at the moment.
here's hoping all the celebrants remain happy and healthy

getting back to the matters of OTAQ&D ...
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1979 ... 17. You've just stepped off a sailboat at sunset in the harbor in Old San Juan and must now fly to Anchorage for a meeting. Quick research reveals that you will be able to depart SJU the next morning and arrive into ANC before 9:00 pm that same day. Two airlines and a connection will be involved and you'll be in first class on both flights. Your first flight will make two stops en route to your connecting city where you'll have just under one and one-half hours to connect. Your second flight will be nonstop. Identify both air carriers, the two stops made by the first flight, the connecting city and the two respective aircraft types operated. Hint: the first flight was operated with wide body equipment and the second flight was operated with narrow body equipment.
17- in 1979 virtually all narrow-body service to ANC came through Seattle/SEA, and that market saw a number of operators; the more significant bit, though, is the two-stop widebody flight ... 9pm into ANC and a 90-min connection time combine to suggest that the jet arrived at SEA ~6pm, which tells me that the last leg probably wasn’t a long transcon ... let’s try a National Airlines “Sun King” DC-10 from Los Angeles/LAX, with the first stop being Miami/MIA, connecting to a Northwest 727-251

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18. Now you are in Milwaukee and are on your way to New York City. You're in no rush and have found an interesting milk run flight which makes five stops en route with a circuitous routing. Name the airline, all five stops in order, the NYC airport you will arrive into and the aircraft type. Hint: one could clearly see the Gulf of Mexico during one of the flight segments.
18- taking a hint from additional info that jlemon provided along with his answer to an earlier question in this set (pertaining to a Southern Airways DC9 operating New York LaGuardia/LGA to Washington Dulles/IAD, namely that the flight continued to Atlanta/ATL, Huntsville/HSV, and Memphis/MEM), I’ll offer that this question is set later in the year, after SO had been absorbed into Republic, and we’re again looking at a DC9 ... this one in RC livery, operating a route something like MKE-MEM-Mobile/MOB-Pensacola/PNS-ATL-IAD-LGA
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17- in 1979 virtually all narrow-body service to ANC came through Seattle/SEA, and that market saw a number of operators; the more significant bit, though, is the two-stop widebody flight ... 9pm into ANC and a 90-min connection time combine to suggest that the jet arrived at SEA ~6pm, which tells me that the last leg probably wasn’t a long transcon ... let’s try a National Airlines “Sun King” DC-10 from Los Angeles/LAX, with the first stop being Miami/MIA, connecting to a Northwest 727-251

18- taking a hint from additional info that jlemon provided along with his answer to an earlier question in this set (pertaining to a Southern Airways DC9 operating New York LaGuardia/LGA to Washington Dulles/IAD, namely that the flight continued to Atlanta/ATL, Huntsville/HSV, and Memphis/MEM), I’ll offer that this question is set later in the year, after SO had been absorbed into Republic, and we’re again looking at a DC9 ... this one in RC livery, operating a route something like MKE-MEM-Mobile/MOB-Pensacola/PNS-ATL-IAD-LGA
17. National DC-10 SJU - MIA - LAX - SEA: Yep! Northwest B727-200 SEA - ANC: Nope!

18. The timeline is mid 1979 which means Southern was still around. The aircraft was a DC9-10 and the first stop was Memphis. This flight did stop at Mobile but MOB wasn't the second stop and the service did not stop at Pensacola. The remainder of the stops you've identified, the order they are in and the arrival airport in the NYC area are correct.

And we await the tap-ins for both of the above.....
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17- let’s try Alaska with a 727-100

18- ok, we have MKE-MEM-XXX-MOB-ATL-IAD-LGA ... a quick look at a map shows half a dozen possibilities, but I suspect only three saw jet service ... I’ll start the guessing game with Jackson/JAN
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