Cattle Airlines

I thought of the other one, a less obscure airplane.

Some Sud Caravelles had JT8D engines.

NEW QUESTION: I don't know too many route info but know this from memory.
What airline used Caravelles for men only flights (no women or children) between Chicago and Newark in the 1960's?

Seat 2A

To quote the late, great Ed McMahon... "You are correct, sir!"

Now, just one more...

By the way, I always knew PWA as Pray While Aloft

And let's not forget Err Canada

Here's a couple more from Central America...

SAHSA Stay At Home, Stay Alive[/b]

TACA Take A Chance Airlines ~ Take A Coffin Along

jlemon

NEW QUESTION: I don't know too many route info but know this from memory.
What airline used Caravelles for men only flights (no women or children) between Chicago and Newark in the 1960's?[/QUOTE]

That would be United which, of course, was the only major U.S. airline to operate the Caravelle in scheduled passenger service in North America.

And I believe that cigar smoking was permitted on these "men only" flights.

While not a "men only" flight, I actually saw a Caravelle operated by UA many years ago at HSV. But, alas, I never had the opportunity to fly on one....

jlemon

And let's not forget Err Canada.......

Which was also known back in the day as "Mapleflot" when AC was owned by the Canadian government......

jlemon

Here's several new questions.....

1) What is the most northerly destination in North America to have received scheduled passenger jet service? (Hint: some if not most of these flights were actually combi flights carrying both cargo and passengers)

2) What airline in North America never operated mainline passenger service with turboprop aircraft but did operate mainline all cargo flights with turboprop equipment?

3) What airlines operated jet equipment into Key West (EYW) in the past and what were the aircraft types? (Note: special extra bonus points will be awarded for correct answers containing information concerning current scheduled passenger jet operations into Key West)

moondog

Barrow (BRW)

EA, DL, Airtran (ValuJet), US

I'm not sure about a/c types, but I'm thinking DC9, CRJ, and maybe 727.

jlemon

Well, Barrow, Alaska (BRW) is the most northern point in the U.S. to receive passenger jet service. BRW is currently served by Alaska Airlines with B737-400 Combi aircraft which carry freight pallets in addition to passengers. In the past, BRW was also served by Wien Air Alaska and then by MarkAir which both operated B737-200 Combi aircraft. I've actually flown into Barrow on a MarkAir 73M. The freight pallets on this Boeing combi were located where the F seats would normally be with this section accessible via a large cargo door located aft of the flight deck. BTW, Barrow is located approx. 1122 miles from the North Pole.

However.....

The most northern point to have received passenger jet service in North America is actually Resolute (YRB) in far northern Canada, which is located approx. 375 miles from the North Pole. I do not believe that Resolute currently has scheduled jet service; however, in the past First Air flew B727 Combi as well as B737 Combi aircraft into YRB on a scheduled basis. I also believe there was at least one other scheduled passenger jet operator. First Air still serves Resolute with ATR-42 turboprop equipment and also operates B737 charters into YRB on occasion.

As for Key West (EYW), past jet operators included National with B727 service and Piedmont with F-28 service. I flew into EYW on board a Piedmont F-28 many years ago. There may have been other jet operators as well. Current jet operators include Delta and AirTran with B737-700 flights and US Airways Express with Embraer 175 service. BTW, Key West only has one runway which is rather short: 4801 feet.

Anyone care to attempt to answer question #2 above?

Here's a hint: this U.S. based airline is a currently major passenger air carrier that operated a fleet of dedicated, large turboprop aircraft for cargo operations. What is the airline and what was the aircraft type used for cargo?

Seat 2A

BTW, the other aircraft utilizing Pratt & Whitney's JT8D engines was the French built Caravelle. Not all Caravelles were powered by P&W, but many of the later versions were.

Wally Bird

I'd be tempted to say Delta (Lockheed C-130s) were it not for the fact I have seen FH-227s in Delta colors, way before codesharing.

GRALISTAIR

You lot are amazing - encyclopedic knowledge.

jlemon

Your original answer is correct: Delta.

DL operated the civil version of the C-130 "Hercules", being the Lockheed L-100, in scheduled cargo operations. I seem to recall the cargo services timetable appeared toward the end of the printed passenger timetable.

And please forgive me with regard to Delta's short lived Fairchild Hiller FH-227 turboprop passenger operations. I had forgotten about them! Although DL never ordered a new turboprop for passenger service, back in 1972 they did acquire Northeast Airlines which was an FH-227 operator at the time (in addition to B727-200 and DC-9-30 aircraft, I believe). The FH-227s were repainted in Delta's colors before being retired.

I've also discovered a bit more info with regard to passenger jet service into Resolute in far northern Canada. In 1978, three (3) airlines served Resolute:
Pacific Western with direct B727 service twice a week to Edmonton and Calgary, Transair with direct B737 service once a week to Winnipeg and Nordair with direct B737 service twice a week to Montreal. By 1994, two airlines served Resolute: CP Air with B737 service and First Air with B727 Combi service. At the time, this was probably not too bad for a little town less than four hundred miles from the North Pole. One can also reportedly buy a t-shirt in Resolute that has the following message: "Resolute! It may not be the end of the world but you can see it from here!"

N965VJ

US never flew DC-9s to EYW. This was a PI destination originally, but I don't recall when mainline service was pulled. I'm think it was just F-28s based in CLT after the US merger.

jlemon

BTW, the routing for the PI operated F-28 flight I took many years ago was MIA-EYW.....

Also, at one point back in 1978, there was only one airline serving Key West and they only operated DC-3s. That situation has obviously changed....

I'm also curious about your handle there, N965VJ: did this "N" number appear on a US Air DC-9-30?

Wally Bird

jlemon

Thanks Wally Bird!