Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
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And here it is. A very pleasant, effortless flight that would have been on time if only we were not number 10 for departure from Dublin - the new second runway cannot come soon enough.
Crew were just a bit different to what you get on BA. Cabin crew uniforms were like something from the smart end of a department store rather than a typical airline supply store. And the lead flight attendant was an old school Thoroughly Decent-spoken English lady of a Certain Age (I was going to ask her if she started her flying career on Tridents) who did immaculate perfectly-spoken announcements and served everything with a smile. Catering was provided by BA. Jota only have a few aircraft, but do quite a bit of high end executive charters, and the crews don't typically have fixed rosters but are just called in as and when, and likely get to all know each other well. When not in use the aircraft spend their time parked up at their Southend base - ah, a UK independent airline centre of many years standing. I believe the current arrangement is as much due to BA crew shortage as to aircraft unavailability. There's certainly a lot of BA London City training going on at the moment, and they are doing circuits at Southend as well.
It's a 1996 aircraft, ran with Sabena/Brussels Airlines until 2012, then got stored at Kemble in Britain. Alas this is principally a scrapyard, but after 4 years there it did a Houdini, got bought in 2016, had a big check, a new livery, and has been running various charters since. Titan used to supply the replacement BA London City aircraft, for which you need both certain aircraft only, and specifically-certified crews for the steep approach, but the baton is currently held by Jota. Condition inside and out was, I have to say, immaculate. And there was that classic 146/RJ aerodynamic howl as the flaps are moved, rising in crescendo and pitch after departure, and descending to a bass pitch as you turn onto final approach.
Best angle view I could get at Dublin
Safety card
That classic old view of a 146/RJ engines
Crew were just a bit different to what you get on BA. Cabin crew uniforms were like something from the smart end of a department store rather than a typical airline supply store. And the lead flight attendant was an old school Thoroughly Decent-spoken English lady of a Certain Age (I was going to ask her if she started her flying career on Tridents) who did immaculate perfectly-spoken announcements and served everything with a smile. Catering was provided by BA. Jota only have a few aircraft, but do quite a bit of high end executive charters, and the crews don't typically have fixed rosters but are just called in as and when, and likely get to all know each other well. When not in use the aircraft spend their time parked up at their Southend base - ah, a UK independent airline centre of many years standing. I believe the current arrangement is as much due to BA crew shortage as to aircraft unavailability. There's certainly a lot of BA London City training going on at the moment, and they are doing circuits at Southend as well.
It's a 1996 aircraft, ran with Sabena/Brussels Airlines until 2012, then got stored at Kemble in Britain. Alas this is principally a scrapyard, but after 4 years there it did a Houdini, got bought in 2016, had a big check, a new livery, and has been running various charters since. Titan used to supply the replacement BA London City aircraft, for which you need both certain aircraft only, and specifically-certified crews for the steep approach, but the baton is currently held by Jota. Condition inside and out was, I have to say, immaculate. And there was that classic 146/RJ aerodynamic howl as the flaps are moved, rising in crescendo and pitch after departure, and descending to a bass pitch as you turn onto final approach.
Best angle view I could get at Dublin
Safety card
That classic old view of a 146/RJ engines
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Congratulations! Hope you two have many more enjoyable journeys. Our travels have slowed to a crawl but Mrs. M and I just returned from a nostalgia trip to Rio de Janeiro where we lived for a couple of years 21 years ago. The 2-3-2 economy seating in UA's 767-300 at least made it possible to have a pair of seats to ourselves, without totally burning all of our remaining miles.
Next to actual traveling, It's very enjoyable to refresh flight memories through all of the contributions from the forum members. Thank you all!
Next to actual traveling, It's very enjoyable to refresh flight memories through all of the contributions from the forum members. Thank you all!
As some may recall, Seat 2A initially thought this thread wouldn't last very long and thus pass away in its infancy. However, that was back in the fall of 2011 and here we are today.....
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Thank you so much for I may never fly aboard a 146 again. Planes are supposed to be good for technology, not appearance. I thought the 146 had both. Besides that, a slightly narrow L1 door that the passengers walk through, the short overhead compartment, which you nicely included a bit of the taller, normal one in the same photo, and, on some airlines, one economy class seat with unlimited legroom. That was in front where the seating changed from one or two rows of 2+2 to 3+2. The 2+2 economy section was due to there being first class and the need for the aisle to be aligned properly. Mesaba, flying as Northwest Airlink, a Northwest Airlines brand, flew it that way.
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iirc XJ ran their ARJ-85s with a 16F/59Y configuration, which would have been four rows of F (standard 2-2) and 12 rows of Y (all 2-3 except for the first row being 2-2) ... one of the best-ever ratios for upgrades
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[left]here are some online resources for Toshbaf and any others who want to generate questions for this most entertaining thread
www.timetableimages.com
www.departedflights.com
upcoming airline collectibles shows (good for acquiring old OAGs and timetables)
www.timetableimages.com
www.departedflights.com
upcoming airline collectibles shows (good for acquiring old OAGs and timetables)
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[left]here are some online resources for Toshbaf and any others who want to generate questions for this most entertaining thread
www.timetableimages.com
www.departedflights.com
upcoming airline collectibles shows (good for acquiring old OAGs and timetables)
www.timetableimages.com
www.departedflights.com
upcoming airline collectibles shows (good for acquiring old OAGs and timetables)
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Premium up front is done by just seating passengers with an unoccupied middle. On this last flight there wasn't even a curtain to pull, but the maybe two rows up front did seem to get served a nice dinner, being elegantly served by our lady of a Certain Age, who acted like a benevolent but all-seeing school matron (you US lot will have to find out what that role is). We didn't do too badly in the back though, with a cup of coffee, a small pack of biscuits, a bag of crisps - and a very pleasant end of day Gin & Tonic
Mesaba, flying as Northwest Airlink, a Northwest Airlines brand, flew it that way
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I believe it was back in the early 1990's. I was on board a Delta flight in first class from Anchorage to Salt Lake City operated with a 757. This route had been previously flown by Western, of course, with B727-200 and DC-10 equipment. A Lady of a Certain Age made the welcome on board announcement and I was struck by her elegance and professional nature. Then came breakfast and her extremely gracious service. I felt this must have been what cabin service was like back in the Good Olde Days of Air Travel. We got to talking later in the flight and it turned out she had begun her career with Western before they had acquired Pacific Northern, working on board such aircraft as the DC-6B and later the Electra, 707 and 720B.
I recently mentioned that we received excellent service on board an American B777-200 this past Wednesday from MIA to DFW.....but it did not approach the very high level of service I experienced from the Lady of a Certain Age who began her career all those years ago with Western.
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And FYI, Air Force Two, a USAF C-32 (757) transporting Vice President Mike Pence, landed just a short time ago here in LFT. The C-32 was preceded by a USAF C-17 transporting vehicles for the VP's motorcade.
Our VP will visit several churches located north of Lafayette near Opelousas that were burned down recently by an arsonist. BTW, the alleged perpetrator of these intentionally set fires was subsequently apprehended and remains in custody.
Our VP will visit several churches located north of Lafayette near Opelousas that were burned down recently by an arsonist. BTW, the alleged perpetrator of these intentionally set fires was subsequently apprehended and remains in custody.
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If you are walking on the pavement it is honourable to give a very discreet bow as they pass.
One of the police motorcyclists used to come down to our skydiving club at weekends in the early 1990s, and had some descriptions of their procedure - but not many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_State_Limousine
They also have a lovely 70 year old Rolls-Royce which I've seen on the same road a couple of times, being driven quite unaccomapnied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_IV
Our VP will visit several churches located north of Lafayette near Opelousas that were burned down recently by an arsonist. BTW, the alleged perpetrator of these intentionally set fires was subsequently apprehended and remains in custody.
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