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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Oct 18, 2013, 11:34 pm
  #6256  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: UA, QF, VS, AA, US, HH, SPG
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Originally Posted by KVS
Please follow the instructions in the above-mentioned tip on the CrossOver website or contact CrossOver support for assistance, since this an issue with the CrossOver system and not the KVS Tool itself.
I have tried the tip suggested and I still get the error. I have contacted Crossover with an error report and they say it is not a Crossover issue.

Can you please refer this error to your senior technical support - please note (again) the details I have provided in an earlier post. I am very disappointed with the support provided on this forum.
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 12:19 am
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Go install VirtualBox and run it there - it's much better than Crossover and I never have any issues with it.
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Go install VirtualBox and run it there - it's much better than Crossover and I never have any issues with it.
Ok thanks for the tip - I'll look into it - I was trying to avoid buying a Windows licence (particularly since I already licensed Crossover). I must admit I am unconvinced that my current issue is caused by Crossover but since other KVS users are apparently not having this issue ....
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by pschafer
Ok thanks for the tip - I'll look into it - I was trying to avoid buying a Windows licence (particularly since I already licensed Crossover). I must admit I am unconvinced that my current issue is caused by Crossover but since other KVS users are apparently not having this issue ....
Hi pschafer,

Were you ever able to fix your previous errors
"Data Source Error [RD-3] "Session/MSIE Cookies Error" when using method "Awards/JL-OneWorld"."

This is the exact same problem I am having trying to use KVS and crossover.
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by dfj8
Hi pschafer,

Were you ever able to fix your previous errors
"Data Source Error [RD-3] "Session/MSIE Cookies Error" when using method "Awards/JL-OneWorld"."

This is the exact same problem I am having trying to use KVS and crossover.
I still get this error when using the JL-OneWorld method - I just gave up on it and use Awards/Oneworld or the JAL site directly.

It seems that KVS under Crossover is something of a lost cause - they certainly don't provide any support. I licenced KVS when the US/AA merger was announced as all OneWorld airlines are very difficult to search using a single tool - for *A I use both ANA and ExpertFlyer. Now with the US/AA merger delayed - my requirement of KVS is not as great - but this will change (I presume) - I will look into various alternatives - whether using VirtualBox / Windows for KVS (as suggested) or another tool.
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 3:55 pm
  #6261  
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Originally Posted by pschafer
I have tried the tip suggested and I still get the error. I have contacted Crossover with an error report and they say it is not a Crossover issue.
They were mistaken -- it most certainly is.

Originally Posted by belfordrocks
Go install VirtualBox and run it there - it's much better than Crossover and I never have any issues with it.
Indeed, that's the easiest way to avoid the issues, associated with with the CrossOver product.

Originally Posted by dfj8
This is the exact same problem I am having trying to use KVS and crossover.
Originally Posted by pschafer
I still get this error when using the JL-OneWorld method - I just gave up on it and use Awards/Oneworld
Have you tried installing CrossOver V9.1.0?:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Mac

Originally Posted by pschafer
It seems that KVS under Crossover is something of a lost cause - they certainly don't provide any support.
We do provide support for Mac users, however we are not in a position to fix bugs in 3rd-party products, such as CrossOver.
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Old Oct 19, 2013, 4:48 pm
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More on Crossover / KVS

Here is a summary of my situation:-

1. I am running the most current version of Crossover (12.5.1) - are you recommending an earlier version (i.e. 9.1.x)?

2. This issue started "out of blue" - I had made no changes whatsoever to Crossover or KVS. All of a sudden KVS asked me to (re-)enter my licence key for no apparent reason (which I did) then asked my to (re-)enter my FF numbers for each program (which had been entered many months prior). After this - I started getting the Error 15057 using the AC/StarAlliance method - other methods still work (note the JL method has never worked).

3. Subsequently I have upgraded both Crossover and KVS to the latest versions but the problem persists. (I even de-installed KVS and started over from "scratch" so to say as this approach worked some time ago when KVS started looping for no reason and my request for support did not offer anything useful).

4. The problem started happening on 3 different Macs (2 running Lion and one running Mountain Lion) - in each case, KVS asked for the licence key to be re-entered, etc, etc as in point 2 above.

I have tried, to no avail, the various tips on both the KVS and the Crossover support web-pages.

So KVS-support, can you please explain why you are sure this is a Crossover problem and I will take this info back to Crossover support. Could it be an issue related to the Aeroplan web site - given that it's the AC method that is failing. Of course this would not explain why KVS all of a sudden "lost" my licence key(s) and FF details. (This has happened in the past but upon re-entering this info everything worked fine again).

BTW - I am a very computer literate / Mac savvy person so I don't think this is some sort of silly user error. Taking the VirtualBox approach is an option but not one I am too keen on as KVS is the only Windows app I use. Are there any plans for a native Mac version of KVS?
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Old Oct 20, 2013, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by pschafer
1. I am running the most current version of Crossover (12.5.1) - are you recommending an earlier version (i.e. 9.1.x)?
Yes, downgrading to V9.1.0 has been previously confirmed to resolve a CrossOver Cookies issue with at least one Method.

Originally Posted by pschafer
2. This issue started "out of blue" - I had made no changes whatsoever to Crossover or KVS. All of a sudden KVS asked me to (re-)enter my licence key for no apparent reason (which I did) then asked my to (re-)enter my FF numbers for each program (which had been entered many months prior). After this - I started getting the Error 15057 using the AC/StarAlliance method - other methods still work (note the JL method has never worked).
The two issues are unrelated. For the former, is it possible that you installed the KVS Tool into a different CrossOver 'Bottle' and/or different directory or deleted some of its files?

You may wish to make backup copies of the KVS Tool configuration files, in case it happens again:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q11

Originally Posted by pschafer
So KVS-support, can you please explain why you are sure this is a Crossover problem and I will take this info back to Crossover support.
Please refer CrossOver support to WinInet Error 12057 (ERROR_WINHTTP_SECURE_CERT_REV_FAILED).

Originally Posted by pschafer
Could it be an issue related to the Aeroplan web site - given that it's the AC method that is failing.
It is possible that they use a type of an SSL certificate that CrossOver cannot properly handle, however, it would still be an issue with CrossOver itself.

Originally Posted by pschafer
BTW - I am a very computer literate / Mac savvy person so I don't think this is some sort of silly user error. Taking the VirtualBox approach is an option but not one I am too keen on as KVS is the only Windows app I use. Are there any plans for a native Mac version of KVS?
It is not a user error -- it's a problem with CrossOver/WINE.

There are no plans for a separate Mac version at this time.

You may wish to consider using Parallels Desktop/VMWare Fusion/VirtualBox for Mac, which is the only way to ensure 100% compatibility -- perhaps you have an old PC machine lying around with a Windows 2000/XP license that you could transfer?
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Old Oct 20, 2013, 9:28 pm
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I finally got past this problem (error 12057 using AC/Staralliance) - after much research I realised that in implementing the Crossover "tip" you initially mentioned I had incorrectly set the "accept_invalid_certs" in the wrong place in the bottle's directory. So please close my bug report and many thanks for your assistance, Pat

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Old Oct 21, 2013, 8:43 pm
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I am a long-time user but am having trouble today with oneworld rewards. AA.com shows tons of availability from NYC-TFS on 4/23/2014 and 4/16/2013 but the OW-Qantas and OW-BA methods are showing 0 flights for 4/16 and 1 flight for 4/23. What might be going on here? I don't remember having this issue before. Does KVS not show all the award flights available on AA.com?
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Old Oct 21, 2013, 9:57 pm
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Originally Posted by FrequentFlyer9000
I am a long-time user but am having trouble today with oneworld rewards. AA.com shows tons of availability from NYC-TFS on 4/23/2014 and 4/16/2013 but the OW-Qantas and OW-BA methods are showing 0 flights for 4/16 and 1 flight for 4/23. What might be going on here? I don't remember having this issue before. Does KVS not show all the award flights available on AA.com?
There are plenty of flights with Award Availability on those dates:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.0/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
TFS  Tenerife Sur ES [GCTS]
WED  23 Apr 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AB         7451    JFK   17:15     DUS   06:55 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> AB     2050    DUS   08:30 +1  TFS   12:15 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
IB         6250    JFK   17:05     MAD   06:20 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         178     JFK   12:40     BOS   13:45          0   FS+  CS-  YS-
 -> IB     6166    BOS   17:30     MAD   06:20 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         323     LGA   11:15     ORD   13:00          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         327     LGA   11:40     ORD   13:25          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         331     LGA   12:45     ORD   14:25          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         335     LGA   13:35     ORD   15:15          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
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Old Oct 21, 2013, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by pschafer
I finally got past this problem (error 12057 using AC/Staralliance) - after much research I realised that in implementing the Crossover "tip" you initially mentioned I had incorrectly set the "accept_invalid_certs" in the wrong place in the bottle's directory. So please close my bug report and many thanks for your assistance, Pat
Thanks for confirming -- we have now updated the KVS Tool User Guide for the benefit of other CrossOver Mac users:

http://Errors.KVSTool.com/
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Old Oct 22, 2013, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
There are plenty of flights with Award Availability on those dates:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.0/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
TFS  Tenerife Sur ES [GCTS]
WED  23 Apr 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AB         7451    JFK   17:15     DUS   06:55 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> AB     2050    DUS   08:30 +1  TFS   12:15 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
IB         6250    JFK   17:05     MAD   06:20 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         178     JFK   12:40     BOS   13:45          0   FS+  CS-  YS-
 -> IB     6166    BOS   17:30     MAD   06:20 +1       0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         323     LGA   11:15     ORD   13:00          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         327     LGA   11:40     ORD   13:25          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         331     LGA   12:45     ORD   14:25          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
AA         335     LGA   13:35     ORD   15:15          0   FS+  CS-  YS+
 -> IB     6274    ORD   16:35     MAD   07:40 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB/I2  3910    MAD   11:55 +1  TFS   13:55 +1       0   FS-  CS+  YS-
Sorry I meant in economy so YS+. You will notice that only one flight here has YS+ fully available - the others will get filtered out due to one or more legs not being available on YS. The AA website shows many economy low-redemption options.
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Old Oct 22, 2013, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by FrequentFlyer9000
Sorry I meant in economy so YS+. You will notice that only one flight here has YS+ fully available - the others will get filtered out due to one or more legs not being available on YS. The AA website shows many economy low-redemption options.
Each Engine has its own route construction logic, so you would need to search segment-by-segment.
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Old Oct 23, 2013, 2:14 pm
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Hi, I'm noticing a difference in inventory available between KVS (using Availability/FS method and ensuring UA is airline selected) and the united.com site:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:
AMS  Amsterdam Schiphol NL [EHAM]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
SUN  15 Dec 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
UA         908     AMS   11:00     ORD   13:20     763      F0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9 Y9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9 G0 N0
Meanwhile, UA.com shows two F seats available on the flight. Any ideas?
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