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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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May 21, 2013 | 1:27 pm

#5941

KVS

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Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfducati

Wondering if we can get KVS to comment on this?@:-) Thanks in advance!

This is something that is handled by our online payments provider and they are based in California.

For further details, please contact us via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/

May 21, 2013 | 1:36 pm

#5942

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Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedechat

It is me or KVS does not show any more 4M flights (XL,LA)?

The LA Group is known to have periodic system connectivity issues with its airline partners, so a manual Long-Sell may be necessary.

May 21, 2013 | 7:56 pm

#5943

ben_gb

Join Date: Jan 2003

Location: Bahamas,Miami,London,Paris and other places

Posts: 20

Is anyone else having problems with renewing their KVS Tool?

I completed the renewal/contribution page at Diamond level 2 weeks ago. I received the temporary code, but haven't received the permanent code since.

I've filled in the support contact form to raise this issue twice, but have received no response.

I am getting suspicious that maybe the company is having some kind of problems, but they still seem to be posting here...?

May 21, 2013 | 8:47 pm

#5944

KVS

Original Poster

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben_gb

It appears that you did not complete the Registration Wizard Form at the time of the renewal 2 weeks ago and have only completed it today.

Your Permanent Registration Code has now been issued via e-mail.

May 21, 2013 | 9:24 pm

#5945

ben_gb

Join Date: Jan 2003

Location: Bahamas,Miami,London,Paris and other places

Posts: 20

Hi, I will look out for it. Thanks.
Actually I've completed that form 3 times since I renewed.
I did complete it again today, as that was indicated on the support web page as the recommended way to send a support request about registration issues (though I have also emailed to the support email address, but received no response).

May 22, 2013 | 9:38 pm

#5946

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben_gb

We have received 3 submissions (2 via the Form and 1 via E-Mail) and they were all dated yesterday.

In any case, a warm welcome back to the KVS Tool!

May 23, 2013 | 9:28 pm

#5947

RDP

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: Tokyo

Programs: ANA Platinum/SuperFlyer and CX baseline account

Posts: 235

I renewed my subscription recently and was excited to have KVS showing me the whole picture again on my routing options instead of restricted views from other sites. Unfortunately SkyScanner shows me one option (which is the one I actually like vs. KVS which does not show the option). Is this a KVS issue or a user error issues (such as I am not using the program correctly?)?

Example:

Timetable/NL-BCDF

BWN
NRT
Sat 29 June 2013 - 06 Jul 2013 (date selected was Jul 2 2013)

I get four pages of output but the KVS system does not show me the option of:

BI 423
BWN 1830 - SIN 2035
> NH 902
SIN 0045 +1 - NRT 0845

SkyScanner does show me this option on this date, is there a reason?

Thanks,
RDP

May 23, 2013 | 9:59 pm

#5948

lewinr

Join Date: Apr 2001

Posts: 1,270

RDP, did you try to book that option? Sometimes skyscanner shows me an option, and when I click through to whatever site skyscanner pulled it from, I understand that the option is unbookable.

May 23, 2013 | 10:29 pm

#5949

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RDP

There are thousands of possible connections, so only the best connections are shown. In your example, BI 423-NH 902 results in a total travel time of 13+ hours, while there are much shorter (8-9 hour) options available.

However, you can still see the connection you are looking for by specifying "BI; NH" in the [Airline(s):] field:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.0/Diamond - Timetable/NL-BCDF]

Code:

BWN  Bandar Seri Begawan Brunei Intl BN [WBSB]
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
SAT  29 Jun 2013 - 06 Jul 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1234567     13:15       -       2   03 Jun   13 Jul
 -> NH     902     SIN   00:45 +1  NRT   08:45 +1  763  0                           2       1
BI         635     BWN   10:30     HKG   13:35     320  0   -----6-     08:45       -       1   18 May   29 Jun   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH/##  910     HKG   15:00     NRT   20:15     763  0                           1       1
BI         635     BWN   10:30     HKG   13:35     320  0   1234567     08:50       -       1   30 Jun   14 Jul   Sat 29 Jun
 -> NH/##  910     HKG   15:00     NRT   20:20     763  0                           1       1
BI         613     BWN   10:25     PVG   14:45     320  0   1-3-5--     09:35       -       1   01 Jul   30 Sep
 -> NH/CA  5710    PVG   17:20     NRT   21:00     738  0                           2       1
BI         517     BWN   18:15     BKK   20:00     320  0   --34-67     11:05       -       -   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5952    BKK   22:10     NRT   06:20 +1  EQV  0                           -       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1234567     12:30       -       2   03 Jun   08 Aug
 -> NH/SQ  6254    SIN   23:55     NRT   08:00 +1  77W  0                           3       1
BI         517     BWN   18:15     BKK   20:00     320  0   --34-67     12:55       -       -   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5954    BKK   23:50     NRT   08:10 +1  EQV  0                           -       1
BI         517     BWN   18:15     BKK   20:00     320  0   -----6-     12:55       -       -   08 Jun   29 Jun   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH/##  916     BKK   23:55     NRT   08:10 +1  763  0                           -       1
BI         735     BWN   11:45     CGK   13:00     319  0   --3-5-7     18:15       -       2   21 Jun   14 Jul
 -> NH     938     CGK   21:25     NRT   07:00 +1  763  0                           2       1
BI         515     BWN   10:55     BKK   12:40     EQV  0   12--56-     18:25       -       -   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5952    BKK   22:10     NRT   06:20 +1  EQV  0                           -       1
BI         685     BWN   19:00     MNL   21:10     320  0   1---5--     19:00       -      I1   03 Jun   12 Jul
 -> NH     950     MNL   09:30 +1  NRT   15:00 +1  763  0                           3       1
BI         685     BWN   18:50     MNL   21:00     320  0   -2-4---     19:10       -      I1   04 Jun   11 Jul
 -> NH     950     MNL   09:30 +1  NRT   15:00 +1  763  0                           3       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1---56-     19:25       -       2   29 Jun   05 Jul   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH/SQ  6270    SIN   01:10 +1  FUK   08:25 +1  333  0                           3       I
 -> NH     2144    FUK   13:05 +1  NRT   14:55 +1  320  0                          D2       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   -234-67     19:30       -       2   30 Jun   30 Jul   Sat 29 Jun
 -> NH/SQ  6270    SIN   01:10 +1  FUK   08:25 +1  333  0                           3       I
 -> NH     2144    FUK   13:10 +1  NRT   15:00 +1  320  0                          D2       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1234567     20:10       -       2   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/SQ  6264    SIN   01:25 +1  KIX   09:00 +1  333  0                           3       1
 -> NH     2178    ITM   14:20 +1  NRT   15:40 +1  EQV  0                           -       1
BI         515     BWN   10:55     BKK   12:40     319  0   -----6-     20:15       -       -   08 Jun   29 Jun   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH/##  916     BKK   23:55     NRT   08:10 +1  763  0                           -       1
BI         515     BWN   10:55     BKK   12:40     EQV  0   12--56-     20:15       -       -   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5954    BKK   23:50     NRT   08:10 +1  EQV  0                           -       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1234567     20:15       -       2   29 Jun   07 Jul
 -> NH/SQ  6268    SIN   01:05 +1  NGO   08:50 +1  333  0                           3       -
 -> NH     340     NGO   14:35 +1  NRT   15:45 +1  320  0                           -       1
BI         515     BWN   10:55     BKK   12:40     320  0   12--5--     20:20       -       -   01 Jul   12 Jul
 -> NH/##  916     BKK   23:55     NRT   08:15 +1  763  0                           -       1
BI         517     BWN   18:15     BKK   20:00     320  0   --34-67     20:30       -       -   29 Jun   07 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5958    BKK   00:05 +1  NGO   08:00 +1  773  0                           -       -
 -> NH     340     NGO   14:35 +1  NRT   15:45 +1  320  0                           -       1
BI         517     BWN   18:15     BKK   20:00     320  0   ---4-67     20:35       -       -   29 Jun   06 Jul
 -> NH/TG  5942    BKK   23:45     CTS   08:30 +1  330  0                           -       I
 -> NH     2154    CTS   14:10 +1  NRT   15:50 +1  EQV  0                           D       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   1234567     20:45       -       2   30 Jun   30 Jul   Sat 29 Jun
 -> NH/SQ  6270    SIN   01:10 +1  FUK   08:25 +1  333  0                           3       I
 -> NH/##  2146    FUK   14:20 +1  NRT   16:15 +1  735  0                          D2       1
BI         423     BWN   18:30     SIN   20:35     320  0   -----6-     20:45       -       2   01 Jun   29 Jun   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH/SQ  6270    SIN   01:10 +1  FUK   08:25 +1  333  0                           3       I
 -> NH/##  2146    FUK   14:25 +1  NRT   16:15 +1  735  0                          D2       1
BI         635     BWN   10:30     HKG   13:35     320  0   1234567     21:40       -       1   30 Jun   14 Jul   Sat 29 Jun
 -> NH     176     HKG   15:20     KIX   20:05     763  0                           1       1
 -> NH     2176    ITM   07:55 +1  NRT   09:10 +1  773  0                           -       1
BI         635     BWN   10:30     HKG   13:35     320  0   -----6-     21:40       -       1   29 Jun   29 Jun   Sat 06 Jul
 -> NH     176     HKG   15:20     KIX   20:00     763  0                           1       1
 -> NH     2176    ITM   07:55 +1  NRT   09:10 +1  773  0                           -       1
BI         421     BWN   09:15     SIN   11:20     320  0   1234567     21:45       -       2   08 Jun   08 Aug
 -> NH/SQ  6254    SIN   23:55     NRT   08:00 +1  77W  0                           3       1
BI         613     BWN   10:25     PVG   14:45     320  0   1-3-5--     21:45       -       1   01 Jul   29 Jul
 -> NH/CA  5726    PVG   17:30     KIX   20:30     320  0                           2       1
 -> NH     2176    ITM   07:55 +1  NRT   09:10 +1  773  0                           -       1
BI         613     BWN   10:25     PVG   14:45     320  0   1-3-5--     21:45       -       1   01 Jul   29 Jul
 -> NH     154     PVG   18:20     KIX   21:35     763  0                           2       1
 -> NH     2176    ITM   07:55 +1  NRT   09:10 +1  773  0                           -       1
BI         421     BWN   09:15     SIN   11:20     320  0   1234567     22:30       -       2   08 Jun   13 Jul
 -> NH     902     SIN   00:45 +1  NRT   08:45 +1  763  0                           2       1
BI         421     BWN   09:15     SIN   11:20     320  0   1234567     22:55       -       2   29 Jun   08 Jul
 -> NH/SQ  6260    SIN   13:45     KIX   21:20     333  0                           3       1
 -> NH     2176    ITM   07:55 +1  NRT   09:10 +1  773  0                           -       1

May 23, 2013 | 10:31 pm

#5950

RDP

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: Tokyo

Programs: ANA Platinum/SuperFlyer and CX baseline account

Posts: 235

Yes, seems to be bookable no problem by cliking through to Expedia.c.jp. Even if it was not bookable I am only looking at routing options (hence the use of the KVS Timetable tab) so if the flight is not a valid booking pair I still might recommend it to my client to be booked as two separate tickets.

Strange!
RDP

May 24, 2013 | 12:48 am

#5951

RDP

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: Tokyo

Programs: ANA Platinum/SuperFlyer and CX baseline account

Posts: 235

It's interesting to try and decide how you want to define "best"!

For me "best" is the NH902 flight as I need the client to fufill two criteria:

1: Depart on the 2nd from BWN and arrive as early as possible on the 3rd in Tokyo.

2. While keeping in mind the requirement shown in 1 also to weigh heavily a preference for NH operated flights.

So, in my case the NH902 is option is "best".

I wonder, can I relax the seach to cover a longer time period? It seems that on my printout 12:30 total travel duration is the maximum while the flight I want is 13:00+ hours. Is this a user definable criteria?

As a final option to try and satisfy my need for (in this case #2) the arriving flight into NRT to be on NH could I do a wildcard on the airline choices? I notice you reccomended to me to enter " "BI; NH" in the [Airline(s):] field", can I leave the "BI" portion out to therefore specifcy any airline to start with but ending with NH? Maybe this could be a solution.

Thanks for your time!
RDP

May 24, 2013 | 2:17 am

#5952

Unterwegs

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Stuck on this planet - mainly in STR and LAX

Posts: 5,032

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDP

It's interesting to try and decide how you want to define "best"!

Try http://matrix.itasoftware.com/search.htm for these kind of seaches. It is free and allows you to restrict the search to routings, connection points, airlines etc

May 28, 2013 | 9:11 am

#5953

TRRed

Join Date: Aug 2001

Location: Erie, CO USA

Programs: UA, M&M, AA, AS, Marriott, et al

Posts: 1,565

At the moment, I am not getting a connection to KVSTool.com, either through the software or through a browser. Are others having similar problems?

TRRed

May 28, 2013 | 9:11 am

#5954

edweird

Join Date: Nov 2007

Location: DAB

Programs: DL PM UA PSilver Marriott Lifetime Plat, AMEX Platinum, Avis PC, UA MPPPlus

Posts: 961

Yes, me too.

May 28, 2013 | 9:14 am

#5955

golfmad

Moderator: The British Airways Club

Join Date: Nov 2010

Location: TPA/ABZ

Programs: British Airways Gold Guest List for Life

Posts: 14,248

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRRed

At the moment, I am not getting a connection to KVSTool.com, either through the software or through a browser. Are others having similar problems?

TRRed

Me three.