Jun 4, 2014, 6:07 pm
Last edit by: TWA884
ITA Matrix Search: http://matrix.itasoftware.com
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
ITA Software Matrix Airfare Search Consolidated Information and Help Thread
Oct 10, 2017, 11:22 am
#1471
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Do you mean that the second half of the trip is then priced using a different fare basis? Or is it the same fare basis but a higher base fare figure for that half? And have you compared the taxes, fees and charges line by line to see whether there are any changes between the two itineraries? (For example, it's sometimes hard to spot on a quick glance that UK Air Passenger Duty has been added, which is a significant number.)
Oct 10, 2017, 11:29 am
#1472
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Do you mean that the second half of the trip is then priced using a different fare basis? Or is it the same fare basis but a higher base fare figure for that half? And have you compared the taxes, fees and charges line by line to see whether there are any changes between the two itineraries? (For example, it's sometimes hard to spot on a quick glance that UK Air Passenger Duty has been added, which is a significant number.)
Fare 2 (no stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $172.17
Fare 2 (stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $762.66
I even ran the no-stopover fare to make sure BA155 (LHR-CAI) was bookable at the low rate on both the no-stopover route and the stopover route, and got the same low-price result. It's definitely the stopover that is causing the fare increase.
Last edited by ccars2; Oct 10, 2017 at 12:10 pm Reason: wrong flight number
Oct 10, 2017, 1:37 pm
#1473
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The second half of the trip is repriced with a much higher base fare, while the first half stays exactly the same. Good point about the $203 UK APD, but that still doesn't account for the fare rise.
Fare 2 (no stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $172.17
Fare 2 (stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $762.66
I even ran the no-stopover fare to make sure BA155 (LHR-CAI) was bookable at the low rate on both the no-stopover route and the stopover route, and got the same low-price result. It's definitely the stopover that is causing the fare increase.
Fare 2 (no stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $172.17
Fare 2 (stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $762.66
I even ran the no-stopover fare to make sure BA155 (LHR-CAI) was bookable at the low rate on both the no-stopover route and the stopover route, and got the same low-price result. It's definitely the stopover that is causing the fare increase.
Last edited by Hyacinthe; Oct 10, 2017 at 1:53 pm
Oct 10, 2017, 2:42 pm
#1474
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The second half of the trip is repriced with a much higher base fare, while the first half stays exactly the same. Good point about the $203 UK APD, but that still doesn't account for the fare rise.
Fare 2 (no stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $172.17
Fare 2 (stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $762.66
I even ran the no-stopover fare to make sure BA155 (LHR-CAI) was bookable at the low rate on both the no-stopover route and the stopover route, and got the same low-price result. It's definitely the stopover that is causing the fare increase.
Fare 2 (no stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $172.17
Fare 2 (stopover): Carrier AA WLE0F6R5 CLE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Y, W, E
Covers CLE-PHL (Economy), PHL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-CAI (Premium economy) $762.66
I even ran the no-stopover fare to make sure BA155 (LHR-CAI) was bookable at the low rate on both the no-stopover route and the stopover route, and got the same low-price result. It's definitely the stopover that is causing the fare increase.
Your stopover is forcing a HIP check at LON.
Since the through-fare WLE0F6R5 on CLE-CAI via LON is cheaper than a valid CLE-LON fare (I think WKW5C7S3), the fare must be uprated to the corresponding CLE-LON fare. If you post the horizontal calculation it will make it clear.
Last edited by Calchas; Oct 10, 2017 at 2:53 pm
Oct 10, 2017, 2:43 pm
#1475
Join Date: Dec 2013
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CAI-YYZ
BA154 AA6213 /f bc=d
Middle leg:
CLE-LHR
no advanced codes
Third leg:
LHR-CAI
no advanced codes
"Cabin" option at bottom set to Premium Economy.
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/16 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/23, 4/24 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/24 books at the higher fare.
It's a head scratcher to be sure...
Oct 10, 2017, 3:06 pm
#1476
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Outbound leg:
CAI-YYZ
BA154 AA6213 /f bc=d
Middle leg:
CLE-LHR
no advanced codes
Third leg:
LHR-CAI
no advanced codes
"Cabin" option at bottom set to Premium Economy.
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/16 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/23, 4/24 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/24 books at the higher fare.
It's a head scratcher to be sure...
CAI-YYZ
BA154 AA6213 /f bc=d
Middle leg:
CLE-LHR
no advanced codes
Third leg:
LHR-CAI
no advanced codes
"Cabin" option at bottom set to Premium Economy.
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/16 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/23, 4/24 books at the lower fare
Flight dates of 11/19, 4/15, 4/24 books at the higher fare.
It's a head scratcher to be sure...
Without the stopover:
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA X/LON BA CAI M 172.83WLE0F6R5 NUC 693.28 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 81.80UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
With the stopover:
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA LON BA CAI M LONCLE 765.58WLE0F6R5 NUC 1286.03 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 203.90GB 95.10UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
I have put the taxes in grey as they are irrelevant (except for the UK air passenger duty, at an ugly 203.90 USD, only incurred on stopovers).
The difference in the way the two itineraries was calculated is highlighted in red.
The LONCLE there tells us that we were not allowed to use the price from a normal CLE-CAI mileage ("M") fare for this fare component. Instead we had to uprate the fare to the price of a corresponding LON-CLE W fare. This will have arisen because of the HIP check I discussed up thread.
Sorry if this is not clear, I will try to explain it in clearer language if you wish.
Last edited by Calchas; Oct 10, 2017 at 3:13 pm
Oct 10, 2017, 3:13 pm
#1477
Join Date: Dec 2013
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Aha! That makes sense. I missed your earlier post. It's fascinating to learn more about this tool. Thanks for enlightening!
Oct 10, 2017, 4:05 pm
#1479
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Without the stopover:
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA X/LON BA CAI M 172.83WLE0F6R5 NUC 693.28 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 81.80UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
With the stopover:
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA LON BA CAI M LONCLE 765.58WLE0F6R5 NUC 1286.03 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 203.90GB 95.10UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA X/LON BA CAI M 172.83WLE0F6R5 NUC 693.28 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 81.80UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
With the stopover:
CAI BA X/LON AA YTO M 520.45DNE0F6R5 /-CLE AA X/PHL AA LON BA CAI M LONCLE 765.58WLE0F6R5 NUC 1286.03 END ROE 17.632550 XT 18.00US 5.60AY 8.50EG 1.00EQ 2.80JK 25.00QH 8.50XK 203.90GB 95.10UB 58.00YQ 224.00YR 9.00XF CLE4.50 PHL4.50
Oct 10, 2017, 7:48 pm
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Oct 18, 2017, 8:11 am
#1481
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Exclude certain booking classes.
Hi, how do you exclude certain booking classes ?
looking to exclude O,T,W,G booking classes.
I know how to specifically look for certain booking classes but not how to exclude certain ones.
Done some reading but can't find :-(
(Looking for upgradeable Qatar economy fares only; O,T,W,G booking classes are not upgradeable using QMiles or QCredits).
looking to exclude O,T,W,G booking classes.
I know how to specifically look for certain booking classes but not how to exclude certain ones.
Done some reading but can't find :-(
(Looking for upgradeable Qatar economy fares only; O,T,W,G booking classes are not upgradeable using QMiles or QCredits).
Oct 18, 2017, 10:09 am
#1482
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Hi, how do you exclude certain booking classes ?
looking to exclude O,T,W,G booking classes.
I know how to specifically look for certain booking classes but not how to exclude certain ones.
Done some reading but can't find :-(
(Looking for upgradeable Qatar economy fares only; O,T,W,G booking classes are not upgradeable using QMiles or QCredits).
looking to exclude O,T,W,G booking classes.
I know how to specifically look for certain booking classes but not how to exclude certain ones.
Done some reading but can't find :-(
(Looking for upgradeable Qatar economy fares only; O,T,W,G booking classes are not upgradeable using QMiles or QCredits).
Code:
f ~(bc=o|bc=t|bc=w|bc=g)
Oct 18, 2017, 4:29 pm
#1483
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