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ClueByFour Jun 3, 2006 1:44 pm

They deal with a 3rd party CC processor in the Netherlands.

You could always have one of your CCs who does the one-time number routine generate a one-time limited-fund number if you are concerned about cc fraud.

essxjay Jun 19, 2006 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by skofarrell
More attention: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13104396/

Methinks the end is near...

Nah. Just more bluster from usual protectionists: WTO lobbyists, RIAA, BPI, etc.

The allofmp3.com statement:
The US government officials and politicians have been demanding lately that the Russian authorities shut down allofmp3.com, alleging the site is pirate. Otherwise, they threaten Russia with sanctions, including blocking its entry to WTO.

In this regard we would like to make a statement:

1. The site AllOfMP3.com belongs to a Russian company and for 6 years it has operated within the country, in full compliance with all Russian laws. Throughout this period the various government offices have scrutinized site's legality and have not found any breach of the law. So far there has been no decision by any Russian court contesting the site's legality.

2. The Russian site AllOfMP3.com is not operating or advertising its business on the territory of other countries.

3. The site AllOfMP3.com does regularly transfer substantial amounts of royalties to the Russian organizations for collective management of rights such as ROMS and FAIR, which have granted the site licenses to legally deliver music through the Internet.

4. The site AllofMP3.com reserves the right to take all steps necessary to protect its business reputation. We call upon everyone to take a thorough and unbiased view of the site's legality.

5. On September 1, 2006 the changes to the Russian copyright legislation will come into force. Since January 2006 the site has been making direct agreements with rightholders and authors at the same time increasing the price of the music compositions and transferring the royalties directly to the artists and record companies. The aim of AllofMP3.com is to agree with all rightholders on the prices and royalties amounts by September 1, 2006.

6. We believe in the long term and civilized business based on respecting the law, considering the customers' demands as well as the interests of both national and international rightholders.

The AllofMP3.com Administration
June 6, 2006 Moscow
Contact information: [email protected]
__________________________________________________ _____

The immediate ramifications to consumers seems to be contained largely in paragraph 5. We'll see price increases to be sure. But regardless of whether BPI is successful in seeking an injunction from the UK courts, there's not much they can do to enforce it outside their legal jurisdiction (and probably not much even within it.)

Interestingly, Alexa, the internet traffic rankings site, reports a *huge* spike in traffic to allofmp3 in the last two weeks since the above statement was released. I'm sure that's exactly what the BPI and RIAA were hoping for. :p

pseudoswede Oct 5, 2006 11:06 am

U.S. pushes Russia in WTO talks to close mp3 Web site

redbeard911 Oct 5, 2006 11:22 am

I didn't realize that allofmp3 was that big a player. Shut down allofmp3 or no WTO? That's a bit steep.

goaliemn Oct 5, 2006 12:21 pm

Its good China got let into the WTO with all their near slave labor conditions.. Those sweatshops aren't nearly as bad as letting people download music..

oh wait.. we like our cheep shoes and clothing, but the RIAA doesn't like people downloading music for reasonable prices..

skofarrell Oct 5, 2006 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by redbeard911
I didn't realize that allofmp3 was that big a player. Shut down allofmp3 or no WTO? That's a bit steep.

Which is exactly what the RIAA wants you to think. Its all sabre rattling. There's no way allofmp3.com will hold up Russia's entry into the WTO.

But let's say it did happen. If I were in a position of power at allofmp3, I'd get the Russian goverment to pay me off, move the servers and operations to Kazakhstan, and keep on trucking.

john11111111111 Oct 5, 2006 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by skofarrell
Which is exactly what the RIAA wants you to think. Its all sabre rattling. There's no way allofmp3.com will hold up Russia's entry into the WTO.

But let's say it did happen. If I were in a position of power at allofmp3, I'd get the Russian goverment to pay me off, move the servers and operations to Kazakhstan, and keep on trucking.

I used to use allofmp3.com - it was good, no problems with CC. Until I found bit torrent - I just downloaded every CD ever released by Billy Joel, Elton John, Dr Dre, and the Beatles. It took a week but it was worth it and free. Artists should earn their living by playing live, as used to happen until the 1950s. Being paid for recorded music was an aberration now coming to an end.

ScottC Oct 5, 2006 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by skofarrell
Which is exactly what the RIAA wants you to think. Its all sabre rattling. There's no way allofmp3.com will hold up Russia's entry into the WTO.

But let's say it did happen. If I were in a position of power at allofmp3, I'd get the Russian goverment to pay me off, move the servers and operations to Kazakhstan, and keep on trucking.

Perhaps Borat would be interested in taking a stake in the new company?

skofarrell Oct 5, 2006 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
Perhaps Borat would be interested in taking a stake in the new company?


;)

opus17 Oct 8, 2006 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by john11111111111
I used to use allofmp3.com - it was good, no problems with CC. Until I found bit torrent - I just downloaded every CD ever released by Billy Joel, Elton John, Dr Dre, and the Beatles. It took a week but it was worth it and free. Artists should earn their living by playing live, as used to happen until the 1950s. Being paid for recorded music was an aberration now coming to an end.

That's nice. Because you decide how the world should work, it is OK for you to steal. I recommend next time you take the less ambigious path and just do an armed robbery of a Wal-Mart CD department. Show some commitment.

kanebear Oct 8, 2006 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by opus17
That's nice. Because you decide how the world should work, it is OK for you to steal. I recommend next time you take the less ambigious path and just do an armed robbery of a Wal-Mart CD department. Show some commitment.

Somewhat OT: Theft isn't ok. Neither is the record business. The licensing models they use are positively disgusting and pretty much ensure most artists won't make a dime. The RIAA are a bunch of idiots as are the MPAA. Perhaps theft wouldn't be a problem if they marketed the content properly in forms consumers wanted with reasonable pricing? The gravy train is over and the world has changed. Their members are actually gonna have to start WORKING for the paychecks now.

Seriously, I'm astonished the RIAA and MPAA haven't embraced digital delivery with open arms. Here you cut EVERYONE ELSE out of the distribution chain. You're selling directly to the end user a product which has no physical manufacturing or distribution costs. For as many people download songs, many more wouldn't know how to download an MP3 if ya paid 'em, much less how to get it onto a mobile device or CD.

So price the crap cheap enough to where DRM isn't necessary. Include things you can't get when downloading a ripped version of a song (alternate takes, liner notes, whatever). Give people an incentive to use it. Let 'em copy it freely; sell it cheaply enough where no one will care about getting a copy. That nasty declining music sales issue will likely turn itself around in a big hurry.

opus17 Oct 8, 2006 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by kanebear
Somewhat OT: Theft isn't ok. Neither is the record business. ....

Well, I think oil companies are ripping me off, but that doesn't mean I get to hold up a gas station.

Why do you say the record industry is not embracing digital distribution? Billboard has been publishing digital charts (for iTunes and the like) for years. There is even a chart for ringtone downloads. Almost all singles sales are via digital downloads these day, and that is reflected in the top 100 charts.

ScottC Oct 8, 2006 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by opus17
Why do you say the record industry is not embracing digital distribution?

Please also see: Tower records just went out of business.

Somewhere Over the Atlantic Oct 8, 2006 10:38 pm


Originally Posted by opus17
Well, I think oil companies are ripping me off, but that doesn't mean I get to hold up a gas station.

True, but then do you ever see the recording industry (suspiciously) "adjust" its product pricing like the oil industry has over the past two months? And let's not even get into shady acts of retribution against recording artists who have questioned prices of their own recorded product...

opus17 Oct 8, 2006 11:11 pm


Originally Posted by Somewhere Over the Atlantic
True, but then do you ever see the recording industry (suspiciously) "adjust" its product pricing like the oil industry has over the past two months? And let's not even get into shady acts of retribution against recording artists who have questioned prices of their own recorded product...

You can debate what record companies do or don't do.

But, downloading pirated recordings from bitorrent and the like is unambigiously stealing. The actions of the record companies are not relevant. Absolutely no difference from shoplifting or auto theft.


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