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mikem132 Mar 30, 2006 9:09 pm

Your long explanation of the royalty process is jibberish. This is a VERY complicated subject, and what you have quoted is simply rationalization of the legality of a pay-for-pirated music site. For example, ever hear of "mechanical royalties"? You fail to mention these. FYI--this is how the performing artist gets paid. Yes, when Rod Stewart records album after album of "standards", he actually MAKES MONEY from the sales. Not just the composer/publisher. Likewise, he gets money from internet sales. You are generally correct, however, that he gets nothing for radio play royalties. Somehow, that was considered promotional for record sales--where he got something. Internet downloads are considered a form of mechanical recording sale. The rates of royalties are all over the place, and changing (in the artists favor generally) quickly. Saying there are no royalties as that article does is not true, however.

Diabo Mar 30, 2006 9:14 pm

Interesting discussion.

Glad that I live in Amsterdam. The Dutch Copyright Act of 1912 (insert satanic laughter) makes things much easier:


Originally Posted by The Dutch Copyright Act of 1912
http://www.ivir.nl/legislation/nl/copyrightact.html

[music, movies, tv/radio/internet broadcasts, pictures, books, etc.]

Article 16b

1. It shall not be deemed an infringement of the copyright in a literary, scientific or artistic work to reproduce it in a limited number of copies for the sole purpose of private practice, study or use of the person who makes the copies or orders the copies to be made exclusively for himself.

BREIN (the Dutch RIAA) was not amused. They went to court and bit the dust. Technodesign vs. BREIN: http://www.solv.nl/Rechtspraak-6.pagina?nid=5&lang=en .

Downloading music, movies, dirty pictures, and eBooks for personal use is legal even if the source is not. Russian sites, P2P networks, anything goes. As long as you only download (not upload) you can legally keep the bits and bytes flowing in.

ScottC Mar 30, 2006 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by Diabo
Interesting discussion.

Glad that I live in Amsterdam. The Dutch Copyright Act of 1912 (insert satanic laughter) makes things much easier:



BREIN (the Dutch RIAA) was not amused. They went to court and bit the dust. Technodesign vs. BREIN: http://www.solv.nl/Rechtspraak-6.pagina?nid=5&lang=en .

Downloading music, movies, dirty pictures, and eBooks for personal use is legal even if the source is not. Russian sites, P2P networks, anything goes. As long as you only download (not upload) you can legally keep the bits and bytes flowing in.


Hahaha...da's geweldig!

skofarrell Mar 31, 2006 2:59 am


Originally Posted by murphy
Several people want it to be legal, and are willing to contort themselves to make it seem so. But come on, does this site really pass the sniff test? Really, if one is comfortable taking music and not having the people who created it be compensated, fine. It's none of my business. But to claim this service is any more legal than gnutella or the illegal torrent sites is wrong.

Having it be endorsed by a FlyerTalk moderator is really lame. Why lock this thread, and then endorse a site whose entire business is based on selling other people's property?

<yawn>

You've made your point. Don't think the service is legal? Don't use it.

Don't like Howard Stern? Don't Listen.

Don't like the thread? Move on...

skofarrell Mar 31, 2006 3:05 am

BTW, if you use the allofmp3.com explorer app, go to download>settings>download and crank up the 'simultaneous threads per file' number to 18. You'll increase your download speeds by 3-10x.

USA_flyer Mar 31, 2006 3:50 am


Originally Posted by Diabo
Interesting discussion.

Glad that I live in Amsterdam. The Dutch Copyright Act of 1912 (insert satanic laughter) makes things much easier:



BREIN (the Dutch RIAA) was not amused. They went to court and bit the dust. Technodesign vs. BREIN: http://www.solv.nl/Rechtspraak-6.pagina?nid=5&lang=en .

Downloading music, movies, dirty pictures, and eBooks for personal use is legal even if the source is not. Russian sites, P2P networks, anything goes. As long as you only download (not upload) you can legally keep the bits and bytes flowing in.

There ya go. If anyone asks where you aquired the music just say 'internet cafe in Amsterdam'. In fact I'm writing a massive long list of albums I plan to download, in Amsterdam :D

I do have one question though. Do that artists recieve ANY money at all as that might change my mind on the subject?

opus17 Mar 31, 2006 5:21 am

Stealing is stealing, regardless of the rationalizations.

Diabo Mar 31, 2006 6:08 am


Originally Posted by USA_flyer
Do that artists recieve ANY money at all as that might change my mind on the subject?

Don't know about allofmp3.com, but in The Netherlands and many other countries artists receive money for private copying through a levy charged on blank CDs, DVDs, etc.: http://www.onbezorgdkopieren.nl/User...ven%202005.pdf (pdf file in dutch, but I'm sure you can read the numbers). Any recording company - not just the dutch ones - can apply for a cut.

If you burn your own pictures on a DVD, you still pay the artists. Even if you never ever listen to any music and never buy blank CDs the artists still get some of your money, because clubs, theaters, opera houses etc. are subsidized.

USA_flyer Mar 31, 2006 7:47 am


Originally Posted by Diabo
Don't know about allofmp3.com, but in The Netherlands and many other countries artists receive money for private copying through a levy charged on blank CDs, DVDs, etc.: http://www.onbezorgdkopieren.nl/User...ven%202005.pdf (pdf file in dutch, but I'm sure you can read the numbers). Any recording company - not just the dutch ones - can apply for a cut.

If you burn your own pictures on a DVD, you still pay the artists. Even if you never ever listen to any music and never buy blank CDs the artists still get some of your money, because clubs, theaters, opera houses etc. are subsidized.

I see. Well that's ok I guess, I can't imagine it's a huge 'tax'.

Diabo Mar 31, 2006 8:37 am


Originally Posted by USA_flyer
I see. Well that's ok I guess, I can't imagine it's a huge 'tax'.

€0.52 (US$0.64) for a blank audio CD.


Originally Posted by http://www.taxi.com/faq/copyright/royalties.html
CD Royalties

Virtually all of the companies use a 25% packaging deduction for Cds and most companies discount the actual royalty rate itselfóyou might get 75%-85% of the analog rate). Here's an example: an artist has a 10% royalty rate and the company is paying him 85% of that rate for royalties on CD sales on a $15.98 SRLP.

Here's the breakdown:
Retail Price $15.98
Less 25% Packaging- 3.99
Royalty Base: 11.98
Royalty Rate x 8.5%

Royalty (rounded to penny) $1.01

If you want to support the artists, don't buy their CDs. Use the money for concert tickets instead.

murphy Mar 31, 2006 11:54 am


Originally Posted by skofarrell
<yawn>

You've made your point. Don't think the service is legal? Don't use it.

Don't like Howard Stern? Don't Listen.

Don't like the thread? Move on...

The guy that took the type to type up a post with "yawn" is telling me to move on? That's rich.

skofarrell Mar 31, 2006 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by opus17
Stealing is stealing, regardless of the rationalizations.

I agree. And speeding is breaking the law.

skofarrell Mar 31, 2006 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by murphy
The guy that took the type to type up a post with "yawn" is telling me to move on? That's rich.

Yes. I'm working on being less of a hypocrite. Taking Pills and injections.

opus17 Mar 31, 2006 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by skofarrell
I agree. And speeding is breaking the law.

And I agree with that. Some speeders wind up in jail, too.

redbeard911 Apr 1, 2006 3:42 pm

I downloaded alltunes, but when I start it, I gt a wondow that says "connecting to servers" and never goes any further. :confused:


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