eSIM thread
#991



Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: DAL
Posts: 2,226
My questions are:
1. Can I just purchase both before I set off? If so, will my phone automatically connect to the correct one in the correct country?
2. Instead, should I purchase Bali now, and then Japan when heading off?
3. Although these are two separate "plans", is it still just one eSIM?
thanks in advance,
tb
1. Can I just purchase both before I set off? If so, will my phone automatically connect to the correct one in the correct country?
2. Instead, should I purchase Bali now, and then Japan when heading off?
3. Although these are two separate "plans", is it still just one eSIM?
thanks in advance,
tb
You can purchase the esims before departure. Then activate on arrival using the airport WiFi. Esims have an expiration date so time the activation to cover the days for the trip. Read over the instructions to download and to activate the esim.
You select the esim in the phone settings to make it active. The phone will not automatically select the esim for the country on arrival.
#992


Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bay Area
Programs: BA - Blue
Posts: 4,720
You can purchase the esims before departure. Then activate on arrival using the airport WiFi. Esims have an expiration date so time the activation to cover the days for the trip. Read over the instructions to download and to activate the esim.
You select the esim in the phone settings to make it active. The phone will not automatically select the esim for the country on arrival.
You select the esim in the phone settings to make it active. The phone will not automatically select the esim for the country on arrival.
If I purchase now, they will still be usable for my two (short) trips...any downsides to purchasing now and activating in the US prior to departure?
tb
#993


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
If you were to purchase an esim from Roamless, it would cover both countries for slightly less that the pricing on Ubigi for each country. Additionally, any left over service from Ubigi is lost, but retained with Roamless. You would also get the discounts currently available that I wrote about a few days ago. Essentially you end up with $30 credit with a $20 purchase. If you were to use a referral code from me, you would get an additional $3 credit along with gaining me $3 besides. The pricing is close enough to not matter too much, but whatever credit you have after your trip is retained, since it has no expiration or is limited 7 or 30 day term. Message me if you want to use my code, or you can actually sign up with some free credits on their website. They have another free code = ESIM5 worth $3.75 for a total of $5 I believe.
Edited to add: Two additional features with Roamless, you can set up and test the esim in the US prior to your trip since there is no time frame for use. They also have voice service included with calling rates in Indonesia/Bali @ $.06-$.08 a minute, and $.03-$.05 a minute for Japan. The called carrier determines the final calling rate. The app itself is simple and easy to navigate, available for iOS and Android.
Either way, enjoy your trip!
Edited to add: Two additional features with Roamless, you can set up and test the esim in the US prior to your trip since there is no time frame for use. They also have voice service included with calling rates in Indonesia/Bali @ $.06-$.08 a minute, and $.03-$.05 a minute for Japan. The called carrier determines the final calling rate. The app itself is simple and easy to navigate, available for iOS and Android.
Either way, enjoy your trip!
Last edited by draver; Nov 4, 2024 at 6:21 am
#994


Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 511
Just some DP about my ubigi subscription:
Got the Best Asia 25 GB. Took me sometime to figure out how to set it up on the day of departure from Canada.
As soon as I got to ICN, disabled airplane mode, and phone automatically connected to SK Telecom
Same with Japan NTT Docomo, Singapore Star Hub, and now Brunei DST. Malaysia and Taiwan coming up.
I would recommend Ubigi
Got the Best Asia 25 GB. Took me sometime to figure out how to set it up on the day of departure from Canada.
As soon as I got to ICN, disabled airplane mode, and phone automatically connected to SK Telecom
Same with Japan NTT Docomo, Singapore Star Hub, and now Brunei DST. Malaysia and Taiwan coming up.
I would recommend Ubigi
#995




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
Vodafone UK Accepts US Capital One Card
Vodafone.co.uk allows the purchase of a pay as you go eSIM from its website. Right now they have a deal where you get unlimited UK and Ireland calls and 27 GB of data for 10 per month for 3 months (and I cancelled the auto-renew feature.)
In the sign up process, they ask for a street address that they will use to validate the credit card - and it accepts UK addresses only. I had the thought that perhaps Cap1 doesn't care about my address because all foreign online charges with Cap1 get referred to the Cap1 site for validation.
So I used the address of my my hotel, and the Cap1 card. A popup window popped up from Cap1, I validated (I don't remember exactly what it wanted), and the charge went through.)
I wonder online sign ups will increase over time? If so, could be trouble for the eSIM vendors, who can't come near the 27 GB for 10 I got from Vodafone.
The UK also has no KYC rules, which makes the signup process easier.
In the sign up process, they ask for a street address that they will use to validate the credit card - and it accepts UK addresses only. I had the thought that perhaps Cap1 doesn't care about my address because all foreign online charges with Cap1 get referred to the Cap1 site for validation.
So I used the address of my my hotel, and the Cap1 card. A popup window popped up from Cap1, I validated (I don't remember exactly what it wanted), and the charge went through.)
I wonder online sign ups will increase over time? If so, could be trouble for the eSIM vendors, who can't come near the 27 GB for 10 I got from Vodafone.
The UK also has no KYC rules, which makes the signup process easier.
#996


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
I received an email today with a special offer coming on 11-11 from BNESim for double data on top ups on that day only. Here is a copy/paste from their promotion.
"It’s 11/11 – the day of doubles! 😝 And today only, BNESIM is turning your top-up into double the data. Imagine the freedom to video call, scroll, and stay connected twice as much… without any extra cost!".
So for those who bank credit for future use, this might be an opportunity put a little something away for future use.
"It’s 11/11 – the day of doubles! 😝 And today only, BNESIM is turning your top-up into double the data. Imagine the freedom to video call, scroll, and stay connected twice as much… without any extra cost!".
So for those who bank credit for future use, this might be an opportunity put a little something away for future use.
#997



Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,698
If you were to purchase an esim from Roamless, it would cover both countries for slightly less that the pricing on Ubigi for each country. Additionally, any left over service from Ubigi is lost, but retained with Roamless. You would also get the discounts currently available that I wrote about a few days ago. Essentially you end up with $30 credit with a $20 purchase. If you were to use a referral code from me, you would get an additional $3 credit along with gaining me $3 besides. The pricing is close enough to not matter too much, but whatever credit you have after your trip is retained, since it has no expiration or is limited 7 or 30 day term. Message me if you want to use my code, or you can actually sign up with some free credits on their website. They have another free code = ESIM5 worth $3.75 for a total of $5 I believe.
Edited to add: Two additional features with Roamless, you can set up and test the esim in the US prior to your trip since there is no time frame for use. They also have voice service included with calling rates in Indonesia/Bali @ $.06-$.08 a minute, and $.03-$.05 a minute for Japan. The called carrier determines the final calling rate. The app itself is simple and easy to navigate, available for iOS and Android.
Either way, enjoy your trip!
Edited to add: Two additional features with Roamless, you can set up and test the esim in the US prior to your trip since there is no time frame for use. They also have voice service included with calling rates in Indonesia/Bali @ $.06-$.08 a minute, and $.03-$.05 a minute for Japan. The called carrier determines the final calling rate. The app itself is simple and easy to navigate, available for iOS and Android.
Either way, enjoy your trip!
its free credits (that still works for data), so whatever, just not as good as preivously
often they have promos like 1.49/month for 10GB /month up to 3 months, 10GB usable for EU roaming. unfortunately you have to activate in UK first)
(current cheapest is 5 for 25GB (12GB EU roaming)
#998




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
My Experience With IMS in UK with T-mobile
I have a Pixel 9 Pro and T-mobile service in the US. I wanted to try the IMS technique. However, apparently T-mobile has roaming agreements with every UK carrier as i could not get a carrier to fail registration. I had bought a Vodafone UK eSIM for data as it was only 27 GB for 10 UKP and unlimited UK calls.
As the "pick a carrier that won't register" trick wouldn't work, I went into my profile on the T-mobile website and turned off all international roaming. Boom, the phone now says T-mobile Backup Calling and incoming and outgoing calls are working fine.
Seems to me if you have a carrier that has roaming agreements with all UK carriers but no ability to turn off roaming you are not going to be able to use the IMS technique in the UK.
(Profile:International:Block International Roaming)
As the "pick a carrier that won't register" trick wouldn't work, I went into my profile on the T-mobile website and turned off all international roaming. Boom, the phone now says T-mobile Backup Calling and incoming and outgoing calls are working fine.
Seems to me if you have a carrier that has roaming agreements with all UK carriers but no ability to turn off roaming you are not going to be able to use the IMS technique in the UK.
(Profile:International:Block International Roaming)
Last edited by BigFlyer; Nov 13, 2024 at 1:09 pm
#999



Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,698
#1000


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
T-Mobile has allowed Network Selection since at least iOS 13 when Dual Sim Dual Service became available. I think around 2019, but I’m not positive. That feature is why IMS works with dual sims. I have been using it for several years, and it has been bulletproof. I am on a flight to Europe right now as I type this, and will be testing a few roaming sims in the next few days with my T-Mobile line locked on a non roaming carrier. I also intend to experiment with my account feature that may block all roaming per the Account Manager:
“Blocks International Roaming for the selected line, except when in Canada and Mexico. If you select this service you will no longer be able to call, text or use data for these lines while roaming internationally; Canada and Mexico excluded. You can use Wi-Fi for calls and text; additional charges may apply.”
I am hoping this will preclude manually selecting a non roaming carrier for IMS setup. The Switch is under Account-Profile-International-your voice line.
“Blocks International Roaming for the selected line, except when in Canada and Mexico. If you select this service you will no longer be able to call, text or use data for these lines while roaming internationally; Canada and Mexico excluded. You can use Wi-Fi for calls and text; additional charges may apply.”
I am hoping this will preclude manually selecting a non roaming carrier for IMS setup. The Switch is under Account-Profile-International-your voice line.
#1001




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
T-Mobile has allowed Network Selection since at least iOS 13 when Dual Sim Dual Service became available. I think around 2019, but Im not positive. That feature is why IMS works with dual sims. I have been using it for several years, and it has been bulletproof. I am on a flight to Europe right now as I type this, and will be testing a few roaming sims in the next few days with my T-Mobile line locked on a non roaming carrier. I also intend to experiment with my account feature that may block all roaming per the Account Manager:
Blocks International Roaming for the selected line, except when in Canada and Mexico. If you select this service you will no longer be able to call, text or use data for these lines while roaming internationally; Canada and Mexico excluded. You can use Wi-Fi for calls and text; additional charges may apply.
I am hoping this will preclude manually selecting a non roaming carrier for IMS setup. The Switch is under Account-Profile-International-your voice line.
Blocks International Roaming for the selected line, except when in Canada and Mexico. If you select this service you will no longer be able to call, text or use data for these lines while roaming internationally; Canada and Mexico excluded. You can use Wi-Fi for calls and text; additional charges may apply.
I am hoping this will preclude manually selecting a non roaming carrier for IMS setup. The Switch is under Account-Profile-International-your voice line.
#1002
FlyerTalk Evangelist



Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Department of Homeland Sincerity
Programs: WN Platinum, UA 1k, AA EP, Marriott Plat
Posts: 12,319
Adding some recent experience with Ubigi and Airalo eSIMs in Japan. Partner had Ubigi eSIM on her phone, I had Airalo eSIM on mine.
Both eSIM services worked well, however, there were two occasions where the Ubigi eSIM had no data, while the Airalo eSIM had data. One was at the shopping mall in Nara, where our Japan Wireless pocket wifi had zero data, which was surprising because it had worked so well prior to that. My partner's Ubigi eSIM was also completely lacking cell data. I fired up my Airalo and was able to get data, to perform google translate on menus and get directions, fortunately.
Second data point, at HND airport, on the plane, partner's Ubigi eSIM had no data, couldn't pull up some information. I had to hotspot from my Aiarlo eSIM so my partner could get internet access.
Overall, I think I might prefer Airalo over the Ubigi based on my data points, but I would always get a Japan Wireless pocket wifi as that provides unlimited data reliably in most cases, and the phones battery level was far less drained as the cellular mode was off during that time.
I usually use eSIMs when I travel, but the Japan Wireless pocket wifi was life changing in having amazing fast data without having to think about data usage or battery drain.
I did use Airalo eSIM in the UK recently as well, unfortunately the hotel I stayed at was in a dead zone, and I had the weakest of signals possible in the hotel room (the wifi in the hotel was also very poor as well). Overall I think it's cheap enough to have redundancy with Airalo and another eSIM for global travel, so might as well get a backup eSIM just in case one network doesn't cut it.
Both eSIM services worked well, however, there were two occasions where the Ubigi eSIM had no data, while the Airalo eSIM had data. One was at the shopping mall in Nara, where our Japan Wireless pocket wifi had zero data, which was surprising because it had worked so well prior to that. My partner's Ubigi eSIM was also completely lacking cell data. I fired up my Airalo and was able to get data, to perform google translate on menus and get directions, fortunately.
Second data point, at HND airport, on the plane, partner's Ubigi eSIM had no data, couldn't pull up some information. I had to hotspot from my Aiarlo eSIM so my partner could get internet access.
Overall, I think I might prefer Airalo over the Ubigi based on my data points, but I would always get a Japan Wireless pocket wifi as that provides unlimited data reliably in most cases, and the phones battery level was far less drained as the cellular mode was off during that time.
I usually use eSIMs when I travel, but the Japan Wireless pocket wifi was life changing in having amazing fast data without having to think about data usage or battery drain.
I did use Airalo eSIM in the UK recently as well, unfortunately the hotel I stayed at was in a dead zone, and I had the weakest of signals possible in the hotel room (the wifi in the hotel was also very poor as well). Overall I think it's cheap enough to have redundancy with Airalo and another eSIM for global travel, so might as well get a backup eSIM just in case one network doesn't cut it.
#1003


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Here are my preliminary test results.
Esim Roamer Service Tests
iPhone 16 Pro Max 256Gb
11-14-24 Heathrow, London
Roamless-O2, LTE 6 down, 3 up, ping 197
Roamless-Vodafone 4G 11 down, 3 up, ping 217
No EE service, plane change, customs, no time for more tests
11-15-24, Barcelona, Spain
Roamless Orange 5G 443 dn, 23 up ping 72
Roamless Vodafone 5G 189 dn, 7 up, ping 78
Jetpac Orange 5G 245 down, 9 up, ping 80
Jetpac Movistar 5G 32 dn, 18 up, ping 105
2nd test
Jetpac Orange 5G 172 down, 40 up, ping 79
Jetpac Movistar 3G 3 up, 3 down, ping 103
Jetpac Vodafone LTE 32 down, 11 up, ping 98
11-15-24 Barcelona, Spain
T-Mobile free high speed 5Gb data service included in ONE plan
Vodafone LTE 45 dn, 15 up, ping 282
Movistar 5G 154 dn, 29 up, ping 371
Orange & Yoigo No Service
Esim Roamer Service Tests
iPhone 16 Pro Max 256Gb
11-14-24 Heathrow, London
Roamless-O2, LTE 6 down, 3 up, ping 197
Roamless-Vodafone 4G 11 down, 3 up, ping 217
No EE service, plane change, customs, no time for more tests
11-15-24, Barcelona, Spain
Roamless Orange 5G 443 dn, 23 up ping 72
Roamless Vodafone 5G 189 dn, 7 up, ping 78
Jetpac Orange 5G 245 down, 9 up, ping 80
Jetpac Movistar 5G 32 dn, 18 up, ping 105
2nd test
Jetpac Orange 5G 172 down, 40 up, ping 79
Jetpac Movistar 3G 3 up, 3 down, ping 103
Jetpac Vodafone LTE 32 down, 11 up, ping 98
11-15-24 Barcelona, Spain
T-Mobile free high speed 5Gb data service included in ONE plan
Vodafone LTE 45 dn, 15 up, ping 282
Movistar 5G 154 dn, 29 up, ping 371
Orange & Yoigo No Service
#1004




Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 29
Adding some recent experience with Ubigi and Airalo eSIMs in Japan. Partner had Ubigi eSIM on her phone, I had Airalo eSIM on mine.
Both eSIM services worked well, however, there were two occasions where the Ubigi eSIM had no data, while the Airalo eSIM had data. One was at the shopping mall in Nara, where our Japan Wireless pocket wifi had zero data, which was surprising because it had worked so well prior to that. My partner's Ubigi eSIM was also completely lacking cell data. I fired up my Airalo and was able to get data, to perform google translate on menus and get directions, fortunately.
Second data point, at HND airport, on the plane, partner's Ubigi eSIM had no data, couldn't pull up some information. I had to hotspot from my Aiarlo eSIM so my partner could get internet access.
Overall, I think I might prefer Airalo over the Ubigi based on my data points, but I would always get a Japan Wireless pocket wifi as that provides unlimited data reliably in most cases, and the phones battery level was far less drained as the cellular mode was off during that time.
I usually use eSIMs when I travel, but the Japan Wireless pocket wifi was life changing in having amazing fast data without having to think about data usage or battery drain.
I did use Airalo eSIM in the UK recently as well, unfortunately the hotel I stayed at was in a dead zone, and I had the weakest of signals possible in the hotel room (the wifi in the hotel was also very poor as well). Overall I think it's cheap enough to have redundancy with Airalo and another eSIM for global travel, so might as well get a backup eSIM just in case one network doesn't cut it.
Both eSIM services worked well, however, there were two occasions where the Ubigi eSIM had no data, while the Airalo eSIM had data. One was at the shopping mall in Nara, where our Japan Wireless pocket wifi had zero data, which was surprising because it had worked so well prior to that. My partner's Ubigi eSIM was also completely lacking cell data. I fired up my Airalo and was able to get data, to perform google translate on menus and get directions, fortunately.
Second data point, at HND airport, on the plane, partner's Ubigi eSIM had no data, couldn't pull up some information. I had to hotspot from my Aiarlo eSIM so my partner could get internet access.
Overall, I think I might prefer Airalo over the Ubigi based on my data points, but I would always get a Japan Wireless pocket wifi as that provides unlimited data reliably in most cases, and the phones battery level was far less drained as the cellular mode was off during that time.
I usually use eSIMs when I travel, but the Japan Wireless pocket wifi was life changing in having amazing fast data without having to think about data usage or battery drain.
I did use Airalo eSIM in the UK recently as well, unfortunately the hotel I stayed at was in a dead zone, and I had the weakest of signals possible in the hotel room (the wifi in the hotel was also very poor as well). Overall I think it's cheap enough to have redundancy with Airalo and another eSIM for global travel, so might as well get a backup eSIM just in case one network doesn't cut it.
#1005


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Update for esim roaming tests:
11-21-24 Ponta Delgada, The Azores (Portugal)
Roamless 5G, NOS, 412 dn, 23 up, ping 131
Roamless 5G, MEO, 153 dn, 19 up, ping 142
T-Mobile 5G, NOS, 265 dn, 51 up, ping 393
T-Mobile LTE, Vodafone, 48 dn, 79 up, ping 312
T-Mobile 5G, MEO, 9 dn, 5 up, ping 245
The following tests were on 11-20 @ approximately. 6PM,
Roamless 5G, NOS, 96 dn, 10 up, ping 160
Roamless 4G, MEO, 45 dn, 9 up, ping 134
11-21-24 Ponta Delgada, The Azores (Portugal)
Roamless 5G, NOS, 412 dn, 23 up, ping 131
Roamless 5G, MEO, 153 dn, 19 up, ping 142
T-Mobile 5G, NOS, 265 dn, 51 up, ping 393
T-Mobile LTE, Vodafone, 48 dn, 79 up, ping 312
T-Mobile 5G, MEO, 9 dn, 5 up, ping 245
The following tests were on 11-20 @ approximately. 6PM,
Roamless 5G, NOS, 96 dn, 10 up, ping 160
Roamless 4G, MEO, 45 dn, 9 up, ping 134

