eSIM thread
#931



Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: DAL
Posts: 2,226
After several dozen trips with a dual sim iphone with primary sim set to roaming off and WiFi calling enabled, I have been charged international roaming once for about $11. I have since switched to a provider with no international roaming. So whatever mistake I made in Zurich will not reoccur. I can send and receive calls, texts and iMessages without incurring roaming charges.
#932
Ambassador: Emirates Airlines
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 19,801
That's correct. Unless you receive calls on you UK line, but you can choose to ignore those. Best switch off voicemail as well for the duration.
#933


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
I got my new iPhone yesterday and had some issues with the Apple transfer only moving the 2 esims from my "Old" 15 Pro Max to the new, 16 PM. The Roamless acount and esim did not attempt to swap, so I contacted them via Chat in their app. They responded in just a few minutes and were very eager to work on the issue. We got the esim installed easily, but my account credits did not post to the new phone account. I finally gave up after about 2 hours of Chat and got some sleep. They were able to set up the account overnight and I am very happy with their perseverance without my input to correct the issue. This morning, I had the full balance and service in place.
So, just a shoutout to Roamless Customer Support for very helpful, prompt attention for an issue. Their rates are a mixed bag since they are far from the cheapest, but do have "Forever" data after purchase and with the current promo it sorts out at $1.96/Gb for US and most Euro service. The promo provides $25 credit for a $20 purchase. I bought it on a whim since I use T-Mobile as my primary carrier in the US and abroad. I also have a US Mobile esim for voice service while roaming, and that esim did not switch to the new phone automatically either. A quick chat with them was all that was needed.
So, just a shoutout to Roamless Customer Support for very helpful, prompt attention for an issue. Their rates are a mixed bag since they are far from the cheapest, but do have "Forever" data after purchase and with the current promo it sorts out at $1.96/Gb for US and most Euro service. The promo provides $25 credit for a $20 purchase. I bought it on a whim since I use T-Mobile as my primary carrier in the US and abroad. I also have a US Mobile esim for voice service while roaming, and that esim did not switch to the new phone automatically either. A quick chat with them was all that was needed.
They currently have a coupon code that gives $3.75 credit to users. When you install their app, it also gives $1.25 credit for trial service, so combined you end up with $5 total credit on your account for free. The billing for calls varies by country, but most Euro countries are $.02 a minute. Some others are much higher, but most are not outrageous, some are: Madagascar=$.73, Jamaica=$.31, etc. The fact that this is unlimited term credit should make it worth considering I think. They also still have the $25 credit for $20 purchase, so I have built up an account level of nearly $30 of indefinite length. The code for the extra credit is: "ESIM5" without the quotes. For per Gb pricing, my cost has dropped to less than $1.65 for most Euro and many other roaming countries.
I placed a call to Singapore Air using their app from here in the US, and the quality was good, not great. I could understand the outgoing stock message, but it was slightly fuzzy. It could have been the quality of the message itself however. My account was charged $.01 for the call after I hung up after about 20 seconds. Edited to add: Singapore calls from the US are billed at $.03 a minute according to the app. BTW, the app is pretty nice, and easy to navigate. Once opened, you can go to the bottom of the screen and switch to "Calls" with a keypad. It is also easy to search a country, and then you will see the rates for your selection. Prices & Destinations appears on the opening screen.
So, just a heads up that you might want to save this for a rainy day and give it a workout when overseas on a trip. I have no affiliation or compensation from Roamless, I'm just another tech nerd traveler.
Last edited by draver; Oct 19, 2024 at 7:08 am
#934




Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Programs: UA 1K/MM, Marriott Titanium, IHG Gold, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 8,529
New eSIM provider called Firsty.
In other countries I've used this as access to get another eSim install, or whilst in transit, etc, and it's worked fine. But I've spent the past week in Dubai and decided to try using Firsty Free as my only provider. For this trip, I knew the vast majority of the time I'd be places with Wifi access, but I still needed something to bridge the gap when moving between those locations. So every time I was walking through the lobby of my hotel, or out of the office, etc, I'd fire up the FIrsty app, watch an ad, and then get enough internet to get me to the next location where I'd have wifi.
All up, it worked fine. I don't know that I'd do it again, and I certainly wouldn't for a location where I didn't know I'd be simply moving between a small number of locations all of which had wifi, but for this trip it was fine. On the last day I did activate the free 24-hour SIM card they give out when going through immigration as I knew I wasn't going to be near wifi much of that day - without the free SIM my plan was to instead try out Firsty's paid access, but in the end I didn't need to do that.
#935
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Between AUS, EWR, and YTO In a little twisty maze of airline seats, all alike.. but I wanna go home with the armadillo
Programs: CO, NW, & UA forum moderator emeritus. Eurobonus Millionaire
Posts: 38,683
I now used Firsty "Free" in multiple countries, and I've got to say it pretty much works as advertised. Details in the post linked to above, but basically after watching an ad (10-30 seconds), you get 30 or 60 minutes of free "slow" internet. Slow in that it's fine for email/messaging/Maps/Uber/etc. Web browsing is possible, but not fun. Video/etc just isn't an option.
In other countries I've used this as access to get another eSim install, or whilst in transit, etc, and it's worked fine. But I've spent the past week in Dubai and decided to try using Firsty Free as my only provider. For this trip, I knew the vast majority of the time I'd be places with Wifi access, but I still needed something to bridge the gap when moving between those locations. So every time I was walking through the lobby of my hotel, or out of the office, etc, I'd fire up the FIrsty app, watch an ad, and then get enough internet to get me to the next location where I'd have wifi.
All up, it worked fine. I don't know that I'd do it again, and I certainly wouldn't for a location where I didn't know I'd be simply moving between a small number of locations all of which had wifi, but for this trip it was fine. On the last day I did activate the free 24-hour SIM card they give out when going through immigration as I knew I wasn't going to be near wifi much of that day - without the free SIM my plan was to instead try out Firsty's paid access, but in the end I didn't need to do that.
In other countries I've used this as access to get another eSim install, or whilst in transit, etc, and it's worked fine. But I've spent the past week in Dubai and decided to try using Firsty Free as my only provider. For this trip, I knew the vast majority of the time I'd be places with Wifi access, but I still needed something to bridge the gap when moving between those locations. So every time I was walking through the lobby of my hotel, or out of the office, etc, I'd fire up the FIrsty app, watch an ad, and then get enough internet to get me to the next location where I'd have wifi.
All up, it worked fine. I don't know that I'd do it again, and I certainly wouldn't for a location where I didn't know I'd be simply moving between a small number of locations all of which had wifi, but for this trip it was fine. On the last day I did activate the free 24-hour SIM card they give out when going through immigration as I knew I wasn't going to be near wifi much of that day - without the free SIM my plan was to instead try out Firsty's paid access, but in the end I didn't need to do that.
pricing on the web site other than "starting at..." prices.I downloaded the app and tried it out. The free version seems abysmally slow -- far slower than the free data I get from T-Mobile. A speed test of the free version confirmed this and over a few tests showed a max speed of 120Kb/s down and 18Kb/s up. That is certainly better than no data. But compared to T-Mobile it doesn't get me anything. I might use this for their faster service, though, where for €1 or €2.5 it c
uld be quite a bit more convenient than finding a local eSIM. Thanks, docbert!ETA: The €1/day plan allows 700mb of data transfer per day. The €2.5/day plan allows tethering and offers 2gb of data transfer per day
Last edited by Xyzzy; Oct 20, 2024 at 8:58 pm
#936


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Roaming data competition must be heating up. I have found a few more interesting, beneficial things about Roamless to pass along.
1. Their rating on The Apple App store is a very respectable 4.7/5 with 2300 reviews. Android and iOS esim versions are available.
2. The service is portable between devices. You delete it on current device and install & log in on another and your service has been transferred.
3. You can obtain up to $10 of free credit currently due to a few offers. $1.25 free trial, $3.75 credit with coupon ESIM5 code, and $25 credit with $20 purchase.
4. If you refer another user who makes a purchase, you and the referee each get $3 credit. I created an account for my wife, and we both now stand at $33 for $20 each.
5. Most calls to Euro countries from US or Europe are billed at $.02 a minute. Canada is $.01, Mexico $.02. Others are higher. Some absurdly high, Cuba $.98, St. Kitts $17.68 !
6. In the US, you can select between T-Mobile or AT&T carriers. Outside the US, calls are billed at different rates depending upon fixed land line or mobile connected carrier.
My current status is, after getting free credits and building up my Forever account level, my US and also Euro data cost is right at $1.50 per Gb vs. the published $2.45 Gb.
I just ran a test using Pandora Radio App for about an hour & a half at the gym on AT&T, and my account went down $0.15.
1. Their rating on The Apple App store is a very respectable 4.7/5 with 2300 reviews. Android and iOS esim versions are available.
2. The service is portable between devices. You delete it on current device and install & log in on another and your service has been transferred.
3. You can obtain up to $10 of free credit currently due to a few offers. $1.25 free trial, $3.75 credit with coupon ESIM5 code, and $25 credit with $20 purchase.
4. If you refer another user who makes a purchase, you and the referee each get $3 credit. I created an account for my wife, and we both now stand at $33 for $20 each.
5. Most calls to Euro countries from US or Europe are billed at $.02 a minute. Canada is $.01, Mexico $.02. Others are higher. Some absurdly high, Cuba $.98, St. Kitts $17.68 !
6. In the US, you can select between T-Mobile or AT&T carriers. Outside the US, calls are billed at different rates depending upon fixed land line or mobile connected carrier.
My current status is, after getting free credits and building up my Forever account level, my US and also Euro data cost is right at $1.50 per Gb vs. the published $2.45 Gb.
I just ran a test using Pandora Radio App for about an hour & a half at the gym on AT&T, and my account went down $0.15.
Last edited by draver; Oct 21, 2024 at 5:17 am
#937


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Detroit; Formerly Dubai
Posts: 3,676
Lock your UK SIM to your home carrier as you depart. It will force your phone to WiFi calling over cellular on many phones. Alternatively, hard forward the phone to a landline with voicemail before you leave. My office phone has a direct dial and I get the voicemail calls as WAV files with a transcription.
#938


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
For the Roamless esim service, there are some negatives that also need to be exposed. Here is my opinion of drawbacks to consider.
1. Many of the roaming 181 countries have high per Gb rates. The EU, UK, US, & CA are all at the $2.45 base Gb rate. Japan is $3.45 per Gb, calls@ $.03/.05 depending upon called carrier. India $8.45Gb, calls $.03/.05. Mexico $9.45Gb, $.02 calls. So it seems you need to consider using an alternate data service for visiting high data rate countries. Bear in mind that other roaming services generally have higher rates for data roaming for many countries also. I have a T-Mobile account that can fill in the gaps. Also remember that any promotional discounts will lower the average rate proportionately. As a call roaming feature it still seems to be a better value than the $.25 a minute T-Mobile charges me.
2. I saw no mention of text capability on the app or website. Their FAQ's does mention it is a "Coming Soon!" feature. With iOS devices I would expect iMessage to provide that service between Apple devices. Once again, T-Mobile bundles that service in my current roaming plan. Customer Service is very responsive, and just assured me that messaging is "On The Roadmap" for release in the near future. Their CS is amazing, and quite the exception for roaming services in my experience.
So, there is a Yin & Yang to Roamless pricing to consider. Data costs needs to be addressed when planning a trip, but the voice service might be a valuable add on to another data esim plan. I see the lifetime account credit as a major asset, and the app itself is a delight to use in comparison to many other services. With the discounts I mentioned in my previous post, you can have your balance also apply approximately a 40% discount to the data & calling rates otherwise charged.
I'll be visiting Spain & Portugal in a few weeks, and intend to use a few roaming plans then. I will make an effort to report my findings at that time.
1. Many of the roaming 181 countries have high per Gb rates. The EU, UK, US, & CA are all at the $2.45 base Gb rate. Japan is $3.45 per Gb, calls@ $.03/.05 depending upon called carrier. India $8.45Gb, calls $.03/.05. Mexico $9.45Gb, $.02 calls. So it seems you need to consider using an alternate data service for visiting high data rate countries. Bear in mind that other roaming services generally have higher rates for data roaming for many countries also. I have a T-Mobile account that can fill in the gaps. Also remember that any promotional discounts will lower the average rate proportionately. As a call roaming feature it still seems to be a better value than the $.25 a minute T-Mobile charges me.
2. I saw no mention of text capability on the app or website. Their FAQ's does mention it is a "Coming Soon!" feature. With iOS devices I would expect iMessage to provide that service between Apple devices. Once again, T-Mobile bundles that service in my current roaming plan. Customer Service is very responsive, and just assured me that messaging is "On The Roadmap" for release in the near future. Their CS is amazing, and quite the exception for roaming services in my experience.
So, there is a Yin & Yang to Roamless pricing to consider. Data costs needs to be addressed when planning a trip, but the voice service might be a valuable add on to another data esim plan. I see the lifetime account credit as a major asset, and the app itself is a delight to use in comparison to many other services. With the discounts I mentioned in my previous post, you can have your balance also apply approximately a 40% discount to the data & calling rates otherwise charged.
I'll be visiting Spain & Portugal in a few weeks, and intend to use a few roaming plans then. I will make an effort to report my findings at that time.
Last edited by draver; Oct 23, 2024 at 12:23 pm
#939


Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,030
I have been using BNESim for backup data. It also roams on AT&T and TMO in the US, although it appears to prefer TMO. It generally works fine, but there are some areas it doesn't work, even though other providers that use one or both of those networks do work. This puzzles me.
#940


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Oddly, it's 3.8/5 on the google play store. In any event, I installed it for the 500mb free. The app has been easy to use. It appears to work so far, .
I have been using BNESim for backup data. It also roams on AT&T and TMO in the US, although it appears to prefer TMO. It generally works fine, but there are some areas it doesn't work, even though other providers that use one or both of those networks do work. This puzzles me.
I have been using BNESim for backup data. It also roams on AT&T and TMO in the US, although it appears to prefer TMO. It generally works fine, but there are some areas it doesn't work, even though other providers that use one or both of those networks do work. This puzzles me.
I figure worst case, I can just keep this on hand for roaming calling on future trips. That was a big reason I had the US Mobile service @ $10 a month. It included free calls worldwide. I tried BNESim for a while but while roaming in the US, they kept telling me it wasn't included. The website said it was, and it worked, but eventually they shut it down.
Last edited by draver; Oct 23, 2024 at 1:18 pm
#941



Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,698
USMobile clarified, not unlimited worldwide. (Eg Austria is 83 min while Australia is unlimited*
* Until it gets cut off for "abuse"
https://www.reddit.com/r/USMobile/co...t_on_outgoing/.
And obvious but should mention, BNESim/Roamless/Unisim is noexpiry (until your phone dies or the provider goes bankrupt. Some providers allow transfer to new phone ).
Unisim is interesting, allows roaming on a few unique providers for $$$ (GCI Alaska $60/GB or Sasktel Canada $6/GB). Too bad there's no cheap way to signup - minimum $6 topup, $2 esim fee unless you topup $15
#942


Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,030
I figure worst case, I can just keep this on hand for roaming calling on future trips. That was a big reason I had the US Mobile service @ $10 a month. It included free calls worldwide. I tried BNESim for a while but while roaming in the US, they kept telling me it wasn't included. The website said it was, and it worked, but eventually they shut it down.
#944



Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,698
for GCI Alaska? everything's pricey there, and AT&T will be next best in alaska
https://www.reddit.com/r/anchorage/c..._cell_service/
https://www.reddit.com/r/anchorage/c..._cell_service/
#945


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Oddly, it's 3.8/5 on the google play store. In any event, I installed it for the 500mb free. The app has been easy to use. It appears to work so far, .
I have been using BNESim for backup data. It also roams on AT&T and TMO in the US, although it appears to prefer TMO. It generally works fine, but there are some areas it doesn't work, even though other providers that use one or both of those networks do work. This puzzles me.
I have been using BNESim for backup data. It also roams on AT&T and TMO in the US, although it appears to prefer TMO. It generally works fine, but there are some areas it doesn't work, even though other providers that use one or both of those networks do work. This puzzles me.



