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Yes, I would assume that anything that functions as a tablet (touch screen without a keyboard) and a traditional laptop like (with a keyboard) would be considered to be a convertible.
If you are considering buying one make sure to spend some time with it, PC magazine in their review
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410808,00.asp
had a couple of deal breakers for me. I'm not sure they have not fixed them by now or not. One was as a laptop, the screen was not adjustable, it had only one position. That just won't work on an airplane, every time the yahoo in front of you moves their seat you need to adjust the screen, and when used as a laptop there are delicate cables exposed.
Granted, at this time we don't know if the Microsoft Surface has the ability to adjust the screen or not, though most of the reviews do like the kickstand to prop it up.
If you are considering buying one make sure to spend some time with it, PC magazine in their review
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410808,00.asp
had a couple of deal breakers for me. I'm not sure they have not fixed them by now or not. One was as a laptop, the screen was not adjustable, it had only one position. That just won't work on an airplane, every time the yahoo in front of you moves their seat you need to adjust the screen, and when used as a laptop there are delicate cables exposed.
Granted, at this time we don't know if the Microsoft Surface has the ability to adjust the screen or not, though most of the reviews do like the kickstand to prop it up.
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Yes, I would assume that anything that functions as a tablet (touch screen without a keyboard) and a traditional laptop like (with a keyboard) would be considered to be a convertible.
If you are considering buying one make sure to spend some time with it, PC magazine in their review
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410808,00.asp
had a couple of deal breakers for me. I'm not sure they have not fixed them by now or not. One was as a laptop, the screen was not adjustable, it had only one position. That just won't work on an airplane, every time the yahoo in front of you moves their seat you need to adjust the screen, and when used as a laptop there are delicate cables exposed.
If you are considering buying one make sure to spend some time with it, PC magazine in their review
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410808,00.asp
had a couple of deal breakers for me. I'm not sure they have not fixed them by now or not. One was as a laptop, the screen was not adjustable, it had only one position. That just won't work on an airplane, every time the yahoo in front of you moves their seat you need to adjust the screen, and when used as a laptop there are delicate cables exposed.
The Sony VAIO Duo 11 shows promise, but there's plenty of room to improve.
Me too. And for the record, if the iPad uses the same mail program as iOS 6 for the iPhone, I don't want it either. A truly awful mail program (email client?).
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Quoting from the Surface website, emphasis mine-
Applications - Microsoft Office Home and Student 2013 RT Preview1, (Word, PowerPoint, Excel, OneNote); Windows Mail and Messaging; SkyDrive; Internet Explorer 10; Bing; Xbox Music, Video, and Games.
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None of the Microsoft Office Home and Student Versions come with Outlook (or Access), but that certainly does not mean you can not add them on.
Not saying you can in the tablet, but just because they choose Home and Student instead of Professional to include does not in and of itself mean it can not run it.
Not saying you can in the tablet, but just because they choose Home and Student instead of Professional to include does not in and of itself mean it can not run it.
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None of the Microsoft Office Home and Student Versions come with Outlook (or Access), but that certainly does not mean you can not add them on.
Not saying you can in the tablet, but just because they choose Home and Student instead of Professional to include does not in and of itself mean it can not run it.
Not saying you can in the tablet, but just because they choose Home and Student instead of Professional to include does not in and of itself mean it can not run it.
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Unless Microsoft specifically comes out with Office Professional for RT or Outlook for RT, and they've indicated no plans that this is the case, you won't be able to run Outlook in the Surface RT. A shame, too. What a huge miss.
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They actually have a page describing the differences between Surface Office and regular
Your Windows RT tablet does not support Outlook or other desktop email applications such as Mozilla Thunderbird or Opera. Due to this, certain email features available for Office documents in other Office versions are not supported in Office Home & Student 2013 RT:
"Send as (attachment)" features in the Office Backstage view
Word mail merge features related to email
Sending email links to share slides using the PowerPoint Broadcast Slide Show button on the Slide Show tab
OneNote email share options and email-related options in the Tools/Options menu
Many email-related buttons in the Office Ribbon and Quick Assist Toolbar
Instead, you can open your Windows RT email app or use another email app that may be available from the Windows Store, manually create an email message and attach your document to it.
in addition the following are not supported
But because tablets have special needs for security and mobility, a few features are unavailable in Office Home & Student 2013 RT, including macros, add-ins, and other custom programs written by users or developed by third parties.
And if you have to reset the tablet, it will revert back to the trial version until it has a chance to fully download the regular version again.
Details here
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ho...103210361.aspx
Your Windows RT tablet does not support Outlook or other desktop email applications such as Mozilla Thunderbird or Opera. Due to this, certain email features available for Office documents in other Office versions are not supported in Office Home & Student 2013 RT:
"Send as (attachment)" features in the Office Backstage view
Word mail merge features related to email
Sending email links to share slides using the PowerPoint Broadcast Slide Show button on the Slide Show tab
OneNote email share options and email-related options in the Tools/Options menu
Many email-related buttons in the Office Ribbon and Quick Assist Toolbar
Instead, you can open your Windows RT email app or use another email app that may be available from the Windows Store, manually create an email message and attach your document to it.
in addition the following are not supported
But because tablets have special needs for security and mobility, a few features are unavailable in Office Home & Student 2013 RT, including macros, add-ins, and other custom programs written by users or developed by third parties.
And if you have to reset the tablet, it will revert back to the trial version until it has a chance to fully download the regular version again.
Details here
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ho...103210361.aspx
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This is what bugs me about Microsoft's messaging of Windows 8 and Windows RT. you get the impression you can install other software like any other computer but this is not the case at all. You can add anything sold in the Windows Store that is Windows RT compatible, but you can't install regular x86/x64/Wintel stuff. It just simply won't work.
Unless Microsoft specifically comes out with Office Professional for RT or Outlook for RT, and they've indicated no plans that this is the case, you won't be able to run Outlook in the Surface RT. A shame, too. What a huge miss.
Unless Microsoft specifically comes out with Office Professional for RT or Outlook for RT, and they've indicated no plans that this is the case, you won't be able to run Outlook in the Surface RT. A shame, too. What a huge miss.
Business users are the ones using outlook, and they would likely be more attracted to the Pro version of Surface anyways, which does run traditional desktop apps on x86/64 based processors.
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I bought a 32GB Surface with a Cyan touch cover yesterday...
What sold me?
The kickstand, Excel, Word, ability to work on two apps (programs?) side by side, the microSD card slot, and of course the touch cover...
BTW, will Flash run on the Surface RT?
Also, will I be able to upload pictures from my Canon 7D (or other camera) to the Surface?
What sold me?
The kickstand, Excel, Word, ability to work on two apps (programs?) side by side, the microSD card slot, and of course the touch cover...
BTW, will Flash run on the Surface RT?
Also, will I be able to upload pictures from my Canon 7D (or other camera) to the Surface?
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I bought a 32GB Surface with a Cyan touch cover yesterday...
What sold me?
The kickstand, Excel, Word, ability to work on two apps (programs?) side by side, the microSD card slot, and of course the touch cover...
BTW, will Flash run on the Surface RT?
Also, will I be able to upload pictures from my Canon 7D (or other camera) to the Surface?
What sold me?
The kickstand, Excel, Word, ability to work on two apps (programs?) side by side, the microSD card slot, and of course the touch cover...
BTW, will Flash run on the Surface RT?
Also, will I be able to upload pictures from my Canon 7D (or other camera) to the Surface?
Digital Camera - I'm running the preview version of Windows 8, and when I go into the RT mode to look at pictures using the photo app, I do see the option to communicate with your digital camera, so I'm going to say yes you can. With it having a USB port, I would be shocked if they somehow disabled that capability in Surface RT.
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According to the order website:
You can only install printers, mice, keyboards, and other devices that are certified for Windows RT.
So devices may or may not work. Great way for the device people to sell a few more items.
You can only install printers, mice, keyboards, and other devices that are certified for Windows RT.
So devices may or may not work. Great way for the device people to sell a few more items.
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I don't see the problem - a camera could certainly be certified for WinRT - in fact it probably is.
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The following link is to install a codec pack that gives Windows RT (and Windows 8) the ability to view RAW format from a variety of cameras, including Canon EOS 7D. Supporting the RAW format for the 7D in RT all but confirms that it is supported as Big Mac is wondering about.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2712101
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2712101

