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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by stimpy
Not in Europe, I cannot. I can grip it tight with left or right hand and not see any bars change, nor have any problems with calls or 3G. Tested in 4 different countries already.

Obviously the operator coverage is much more dense here and we use different frequencies. Whether my hardware is different is unknown.
You do not need to "grip it tightly." A simple light touch with one finger connecting the two antennas is enough to drop the signal. The amount of skin/fat/muscle/bone tissue between the antenna and the cell tower has absolutely no bearing on the received signal strength.

However, I noticed that it does appear to only affect people in weaker signal areas. When I was in an area with strong signal, I saw no change when grounding the two antennas against each other.

Below are some screenshots of my phone. If you notice in the upper-left corner, I am able to view the raw signal strength in decibels. Apparently, once you activate Field Test Mode on an iPhone, the ability to flip between dB and "bars" in the RSSI indicator is permanently enabled. So even though the iPhone 4 lacks Field Test Mode, because I upgraded the core OS from my previous iPhone 3G, I retained the ability to view the RSSI in dB.

The only thing different between the first and second shots in each of the two sets below is a light touch right on the black line separating the two antennas. The phone was not moved at all (more than an inch or so), and only a few seconds elapsed between each picture. It is completely repeatable--I can take my finger off, watch the signal jump back up, touch the spot again, watch the signal drop, and repeat ad infinitum.

It should be noted that there is likely much more than a 20dB drop in signal. -113dB appears to be the lowest the iPhone will display before completely dropping the signal altogether (similarly, if I recall correctly, -51dB is the maximum it will register if you're standing right next to the cell tower, though it's been a year since I've tested that). Realistically, the RSSI is probably much higher than -51dB when you're standing next to a cell base station, and the RSSI is likely less than -113dB when you're on the edge of being disconnected.


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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 9:41 am
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So iPhone 4 is showing the weakness of AT & T's network?

The attenuation problem occurs mostly in areas of weak coverage and those areas are more pervasive on AT&T?
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by jackal
Apparently, once you activate Field Test Mode on an iPhone, the ability to flip between dB and "bars" in the RSSI indicator is permanently enabled. So even though the iPhone 4 lacks Field Test Mode, because I upgraded the core OS from my previous iPhone 3G, I retained the ability to view the RSSI in dB.

How do you activate Field Test Mode on the 3GS?

And what is that smaller lock symbol with the circular arrow at the top? I've not seen that symbol appear on my iPhone.

Thanks.
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 9:47 am
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Oh, one other illustration: the signal strength drop does noticeably affect data transfer speed:



Originally Posted by wco81
So iPhone 4 is showing the weakness of AT & T's network?

The attenuation problem occurs mostly in areas of weak coverage and those areas are more pervasive on AT&T?
I only had a chance to do a quick test while driving through an area of strong signal on my way home from work (I pulled over for only a couple of minutes). Therefore, my statement about areas of stronger signal is only speculation based on a brief experience. I will try to do a more detailed test sometime soon to confirm or refute that statement.
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by Cholula
How do you activate Field Test Mode on the 3GS?

And what is that smaller lock symbol with the circular arrow at the top? I've not seen that symbol appear on my iPhone.

Thanks.
Your 3GS must be running OS 3 or earlier. Once you upgrade to OS 4, you can't enter Field Test Mode. (I misspoke earlier--Field Test Mode wasn't removed from the iPhone 4, it was removed from iOS 4.)

If you are still running OS 3 or earlier, go to your phone dialpad and enter the following sequence:

*3001#12345#*

(You may need to hit "call" after entering that sequence; I can't remember.)

There's lots of technical geekery in Field Test Mode that is fun to look at but makes little sense to the untrained eye. Basically, you can "see" the various cell towers nearby that your phone can see along with some other information about the cellular network. (Field Test Mode was designed for AT&T field test employees to run diagnostics on the network from, well, the field.)

I guess Apple decided that the information that Field Test Mode gives about the cell network was too great a security (or PR?) risk to chance having even a revamped entry code leak, so they removed it altogether, according to a recent blog comment by someone who is supposedly knowledgeable about such matters. On the other hand, they did leave in the code required to display the signal strength meter in dB, so maybe they did just obfuscate it rather than delete it completely...
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by jackal

If you are still running OS 3 or earlier, go to your phone dialpad and enter the following sequence:

*3001#12345#*
Oops...too late for me.

I upgraded to OS 4 the day it was released.

But thanks for the explanation.
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by Cholula
Oops...too late for me.

I upgraded to OS 4 the day it was released.

But thanks for the explanation.
Don't worry...iOS 4 is worth losing Field Test Mode! It was fun for about 5 minutes and then grew old. You're not missing much.

Oh, and the lock icon represents that my phone was on the lock screen at the time I took the screenshot. (I'm not sure, but it may only appear when passcode lock is enabled.)
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So for those keeping the phone, a review from a pro photographer with some raves for the camera:

http://thrumylens.org/iphone/a-review-of-the-iphone-4/
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by wco81
So iPhone 4 is showing the weakness of AT & T's network?

The attenuation problem occurs mostly in areas of weak coverage and those areas are more pervasive on AT&T?
Any carrier is going to have weak areas. It is not like they will blanket the entire planet with 4 bar signal strength. AT&T may or may not have more weak zones in populated areas, but that is irrelevant. The design of the phone is flawed in that it loses signal strength by placing a finger in a certain spot and bridging the antennas. Even if you don't drop the call, it may result in reduced battery life if the phone increases the signal power to maintain a quality signal (but I'm not up on all the technical aspects of how GSM manages power).

Looking at it from AT&T's perspective, why should they have to invest in infrastructure upgrades to take a 2 bar area to 4 bars when every other device works fine at two bars? Just so Steve Jobs can have his shiny metal antenna band and save face by not admitting it is a design flaw?
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by tev9999
Looking at it from AT&T's perspective, why should they have to invest in infrastructure upgrades to take a 2 bar area to 4 bars when every other device works fine at two bars? Just so Steve Jobs can have his shiny metal antenna band and save face by not admitting it is a design flaw?

I think you are making too many assumptions here. Who says that "every other device works fine at two bars"?? Who says the iPhone 4 doesn't? Why is there a need to "save face" when 99.4% of the people who buy the phone keep the phone?
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 1:42 pm
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Don't get me wrong, EVERYTHING about the iphone 4 is excellent, EXCEPT for the fact that it constantly will drop calls and lose data connection if I hold it without a case (and sometimes WITH a case when in a lower signal area). I COULD have a bad copy but from what I have seen with others phones and of course read, it IS a problem.

Mine is going back next week, once I find another 3gs to move back to (yep, sold mine for 275$ going into the release - thought it was a great deal!) But, prices have dropped a lot on the 3gs since then.

I'll get another when their version 1.1 comes out (which I am CERTAIN it will) in the next few months.

I'm VERY surprised at the official response from apple yesterday, in my opinion all they managed to do was dig themselves DEEPER into the hole they are in and prolong the payment period. they could have just fixed it, done a voluntary swap out and got back on track with their HUGE sales volume 1 quarter later. As it is, again my opinion, they will ultimately LOSE sales due to this, if not in the immediate term over the next 12 months. As much as they think their riduculous .55% number is accurate (which it isn't) it will be possibly closer to multiples of that in lost sales. The math for that either return or LOST sale is going to be MUCH higher than making a change RIGHT NOW and getting on with it.

And bringing in Nokia and RIMM to the fray is only making it worse and nokia and RIMM will only benefit from their PR stupidity at this point.
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 4:24 pm
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
I think you are making too many assumptions here. Who says that "every other device works fine at two bars"?? Who says the iPhone 4 doesn't? Why is there a need to "save face" when 99.4% of the people who buy the phone keep the phone?
It has been shown by many tests, including in this very thread, that placing a single finger on an iphone 4 results in major signal attenuation. Measure it in bars, db, data speed, or dropped calls and it is there. No other phone I have seen or heard of has this issue from a SINGLE TOUCH. No other phone I have seen or heard of has external antennas with conductive surfaces. It is a valid conclusion to say that touching an iphone 4 antenna with bare skin will result in signal attenuation, which may result in a dropped call or slower data speed. In the real world it will depend on your signal strength, how sweaty your hands are, and other factors as to how much reduction, but the fact is the signal reduction will still be there to some extent.

As for saving face, the question about a single finger bridging the antennas was asked at the press conference and it was clearly sidestepped. Apple chooses to say the signal loss happens just like every other phone, which is true if you are blocking the signal. It is not true about placing a single finger on the antenna which is impossible with any other phone. If they have evidence that a single finger cannot result in a drop call, they did not state it. Nor did they admit that it does. My guess is that someone does not want to admit that they released a functionally flawed device because they wanted it to look nice.
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nmenaker ... did you try the bumpers? I was in MPK this week, and 2 iphone 4s next to each other, one shows attenuation one doesn't (without the bumpers.) With the bumpers, there's no difference. Both are running 4.0.1 (the "less bars in more places" update).

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Love my iP4.
I drop calls every day on the Golden Gate Bridge. I deal with it.
Sure I've dropped some calls with the iP4 but never once have I thought I've got a lemon.
Currently full bars on Softbank in Chitose. 4.0.1
Cannot get the phone to lose bars.

Did I just get a good one.

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Mine most definitely loses bars at the slightest touch to the bottom left corner in both strong and weak signal areas. Mine also makes the weird sound on occasion when I hit the lock button. I have a case on now and that takes care of the antenna problem. I haven't used Bluetooth on the phone yet,but I read that it has some bugs too on this phone. I love this phone, but still may take it back and wait for the next one, with a few more features, no antenna issues, and hopefully face time over the cellular network, and 4g. I just don't know if I can go back to a dumb phone for 5 or 6 months till the next version comes out. Getting my first smartphone has opened a whole new world of simplicity and entertainment.
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