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Not really but you're lucky. The antenna problem is "analog", it depends on everything from the actual cellular coverage to how your palms and body acts as an antenna.Originally Posted by schoflyer
Did I just get a good one.
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Who knows really....Originally Posted by adambadam
More like 11 months...
One financial analyst said that the reason the orders were recently bumped on to three weeks was because they would have new ones by then. But you could be right as well. The September 30 cut off date for the free cases was interesting. So if you buy October 1 you get the same problematic phone but no free case? Im not sure I follow the logic of that. One reason could be that the current ones will be through their supply chain by then and the fixed ones will be out. Or they could still be telling themselves there isnt a problem and they wont listen to complaints after that. Either way, it isnt very transparent. I have put my iPhone purchase on hold for now. Im in a wait and see mode.
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I agree.Originally Posted by longleaf
Getting my first smartphone has opened a whole new world of simplicity and entertainment.
It's a life-changer for me on par with the development of the World Wide Web.
Not many technological events in my life that I can point to that were so monumental as these.
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The September 30 cut off date for the free cases was interesting. So if you buy October 1 you get the same problematic phone but no free case?
In the press conference, which is posted everywhere by now, Steve said they would reevaluate in September.Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
The September 30 cut off date for the free cases was interesting. So if you buy October 1 you get the same problematic phone but no free case?
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It's a life-changer for me on par with the development of the World Wide Web.
Not many technological events in my life that I can point to that were so monumental as these.
This is exactly how I felt after July 11, 2008. Truly the best purchase I have ever made, bar none. It was a total game-changer in the way I live my life. Can't imagine being without it.Originally Posted by Cholula
I agree.It's a life-changer for me on par with the development of the World Wide Web.
Not many technological events in my life that I can point to that were so monumental as these.
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One financial analyst said that the reason the orders were recently bumped on to three weeks was because they would have new ones by then. But you could be right as well. The September 30 cut off date for the free cases was interesting. So if you buy October 1 you get the same problematic phone but no free case? Im not sure I follow the logic of that. One reason could be that the current ones will be through their supply chain by then and the fixed ones will be out. Or they could still be telling themselves there isnt a problem and they wont listen to complaints after that. Either way, it isnt very transparent. I have put my iPhone purchase on hold for now. Im in a wait and see mode.
I think the sept 30th cutoff date, is because Europe has a 60 day return NQA period, as well as the fact that other countries only lauched a week or two ago. this pretty much covers everyone.Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Who knows really....One financial analyst said that the reason the orders were recently bumped on to three weeks was because they would have new ones by then. But you could be right as well. The September 30 cut off date for the free cases was interesting. So if you buy October 1 you get the same problematic phone but no free case? Im not sure I follow the logic of that. One reason could be that the current ones will be through their supply chain by then and the fixed ones will be out. Or they could still be telling themselves there isnt a problem and they wont listen to complaints after that. Either way, it isnt very transparent. I have put my iPhone purchase on hold for now. Im in a wait and see mode.
I think we'll see the returns number spike THIS week and going forward. Apple has not thought this through.
The proximity sensor issue is driving me nuts. I would be in swapping out my phone if they hadn't already announced it was a software issue that is being looked at. Release the update already!!
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At first, they were adamant about saying that the antenna problem was a software problem as well.Originally Posted by adambadam
The proximity sensor issue is driving me nuts. I would be in swapping out my phone if they hadn't already announced it was a software issue that is being looked at. Release the update already!!
No matter how hard I try I cannot replicate the reception issue, even using Speedtest in locations with flaky 3G and EDGE reception. With the fab screen and much improved app speed I am a very happy owner.
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Are you in the UK? I suspect this issue is due to an intersection of an antenna issue and cellular coverage.Originally Posted by Swanhunter
No matter how hard I try I cannot replicate the reception issue, even using Speedtest in locations with flaky 3G and EDGE reception. With the fab screen and much improved app speed I am a very happy owner.
Here is an short podcast about an RF engineers test of the iPhone 4 antenna.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/tel...ntenna-problem
Pretty interesting.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/tel...ntenna-problem
Pretty interesting.
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Are you in the UK? I suspect this issue is due to an intersection of an antenna issue and cellular coverage.
Yes, in the UK. Interesting that the press coverage of the issue has had totally failed to acknowledge it might be as US problem....Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
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I like the iPhone 4 a lot -- but being a leftie I also suffer from the antenna issues, touching the antenna drops the data rate from 5+ Mbit/s to something much slower. Touching the "bad spot" and it goes all the way from 3G to GSM. The proximity sensor issue has also put the caller on mute & speakerphone, enabled the keypad etc. Otherwise just perfect.
I got the bumber but it's too bulky, doesn't even fit my old 3GS Sena ultrasim case which is otherwise loose for the iPhone4. If I knew that Apple will be able to fix the proximity sensor issues by software and someone would come up with a thin layer for the antenna, I could happily keep the phone.
Returning the phone isn't quite fair option as Apple won't cover all my costs.
It's also clear that later this autumn Apple will start shipping revised iPhone 4 that has the antenna fixed. They just cannot say it out aloud.
I really don't get the issue with using a bumper, I can't imagine why you would not want to use some kind of case to protect it from scratches.Originally Posted by ojala
Apple is really pushing hard for people to love the badly designed iPhone 4 enough to keep it.***
I like the iPhone 4 a lot -- but being a leftie I also suffer from the antenna issues, touching the antenna drops the data rate from 5+ Mbit/s to something much slower. Touching the "bad spot" and it goes all the way from 3G to GSM. The proximity sensor issue has also put the caller on mute & speakerphone, enabled the keypad etc. Otherwise just perfect.
I got the bumber but it's too bulky, doesn't even fit my old 3GS Sena ultrasim case which is otherwise loose for the iPhone4. If I knew that Apple will be able to fix the proximity sensor issues by software and someone would come up with a thin layer for the antenna, I could happily keep the phone.
Returning the phone isn't quite fair option as Apple won't cover all my costs.
It's also clear that later this autumn Apple will start shipping revised iPhone 4 that has the antenna fixed. They just cannot say it out aloud.
I don't think one defect renders the entire product "badly designed". The main issue I have are dropped calls, poor battery life and the fact that my speakerphone is always muted (don't quite understand that one). The dropped calls are puzzling because my AT&T blackberry does fine in the same areas. So I think there is some kind of defect in the iPhone antenna beyond the one discussed (as mine has been in a case from day 1). I would really hate to give up the phone but of course the voice service is the most important part (as I don't have a home phone), so may have to consider one of those signal boosters. Or maybe switch to Verizon in a couple of years.
My other complaint is that the phone uses a lot of juice for push email, bluetooth, and location services apps like google maps and trapster. I hate to shut these down during the day but the alternative is a phone with 20% juice by the end of the workday. So the compromise is to shut off push and sometimes data during the day, and to use mostly WiFi at home. However shutting down data seems to disable the messaging services. Very frustrating, but I guess I'm glad I didn't get a Sprint EVO which supposedly has ever worse battery life.