Knee Defender Gadget
Sep 10, 2014, 2:35 pm
#46
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: American AAdvantage
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Maybe you fly on better airlines that provide more space on international flights?
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
I flew on a Gulf Air flight once where I didn't have enough space to read a newspaper or put down my tray table when the person in front of me reclined. The flight attendant made him put his seat up at meal time so that I could eat, but he reclined again as soon as the trays were collected. He was close enough that I could have given him a scalp massage without leaning forward...
Sep 10, 2014, 3:26 pm
#47
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
Sep 11, 2014, 5:37 am
#48
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kitchener, Canada
Posts: 164
I sit in the 'up' position to eat because it's more comfortable for me. I recline my seat the entire rest of the flight because it's more comfortable for me.
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
Sep 11, 2014, 5:45 am
#49
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: CLE
Posts: 1,886
My chances of getting an UG are pretty nil, so I hope that everyone reclines after dinner...wishful thinking.
My flight is full and I will just deal with it. I can't control what others do.
My flight is full and I will just deal with it. I can't control what others do.
Sep 11, 2014, 3:20 pm
#50
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: LAX,SNA,SAN
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I sit in the 'up' position to eat because it's more comfortable for me. I recline my seat the entire rest of the flight because it's more comfortable for me.
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
I usually disrupt 'entitled' passengers by bumping the seat as a I get up, playing with the seat pocket, adjust the light in their eye. It's a long flight and common courtesy is something that I would hope existed in a metal tube. Me I usually sit still and don't recline until I have to.
Sep 11, 2014, 3:32 pm
#51
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I sit in the 'up' position to eat because it's more comfortable for me. I recline my seat the entire rest of the flight because it's more comfortable for me.
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
If a passenger behind me is uncomfortable, they can ask themselves why they didn't pay more for a seat that suited their needs. Not like a flight doesn't have more than two classes. I'm not giving up an inch of my recline. I paid for it. I've never even considered the impact of my reclining on other passengers, it's not my concern.
BJ
Sep 11, 2014, 4:27 pm
#52
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I usually disrupt 'entitled' passengers by bumping the seat as a I get up, playing with the seat pocket, adjust the light in their eye. It's a long flight and common courtesy is something that I would hope existed in a metal tube. Me I usually sit still and don't recline until I have to.
Sep 11, 2014, 5:38 pm
#53
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
'Selifsh' is putting a carry on bag in sideways, keeping the reading light on, hogging the whole center armrest, blasting the air nozzle, cranking up the volume listening to music, having the only open window on a daylight redeye, and unmuting an iPad while playing video games. That's 'selfish'.
Reclining the seat in coach amongst other passengers who are fully aware of the strong likelihood of sitting behind a reclined seat isn't 'selfish'. It's proper.
BJ
Reclining the seat in coach amongst other passengers who are fully aware of the strong likelihood of sitting behind a reclined seat isn't 'selfish'. It's proper.
BJ
Sep 11, 2014, 5:44 pm
#54
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
Remember, the seat in front of you also reclines. You did not pay for recline, you paid for a flight that touts recline. If the seat is broken you may get a voucher for another flight with a broken recline. Ya just never know. Sort of like a 'Mexican Standoff' between you, the person in front of you and the person behind you.
I usually disrupt 'entitled' passengers by bumping the seat as a I get up, playing with the seat pocket, adjust the light in their eye. It's a long flight and common courtesy is something that I would hope existed in a metal tube. Me I usually sit still and don't recline until I have to.
I usually disrupt 'entitled' passengers by bumping the seat as a I get up, playing with the seat pocket, adjust the light in their eye. It's a long flight and common courtesy is something that I would hope existed in a metal tube. Me I usually sit still and don't recline until I have to.
Next time you go to a movie, pay full price for the ticket and leave 10 minutes before the ending.
You have such high morals, let's see you do it right.
Getting what one pays for isn't rude; it's proper. And we're talking about an aircraft that for, what, $30 can provide large people the very space they require? Or for a reasonable price can create a virtual uninfringed sanctuary of privacy?
Your argument is this: People who don't pay for what they require deserve the right to insist that others short-change themselves to compensate. Doesn't work that way. A few bucks buys these people out of the problem. If they don't want to pony up the dollars, fine, but don't expect others to sacrifice for your frugality.
BJ
Sep 11, 2014, 5:56 pm
#55
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'Selifsh' is putting a carry on bag in sideways, keeping the reading light on, hogging the whole center armrest, blasting the air nozzle,cranking up the volume listening to music, having the only open window on a daylight redeye, and unmuting an iPad while playing video games. That's 'selfish'.
Reclining the seat in coach amongst other passengers who are fully aware of the strong likelihood of sitting behind a reclined seat isn't 'selfish'. It's proper.
BJ
Reclining the seat in coach amongst other passengers who are fully aware of the strong likelihood of sitting behind a reclined seat isn't 'selfish'. It's proper.
BJ
Seems to me that anyone should be able to do anything they want as long as they don't get caught and punished (not your words...the words of an unscrupulous but selfish poster in another thread).
I'm being sarcastic here. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who might believe they have a "right" to recline but another passenger does not have the "right" to play a game on their insensitive touchpad if you're trying to sleep or a patient with impaired hearing can't listen to their music. Recliners, are you really ready for a "anything goes" world or does anything go only when you agree with it?
Last edited by Flubber2012; Sep 11, 2014 at 6:22 pm
Sep 11, 2014, 10:26 pm
#56
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 960
It's a little different to play with a defective IFE touch screen and to kick and to play with seat pocket just to annoy the front passenger.
IMO, you need yo consider the intention. One doesn't recline in order to "invade" other space, but to have more comfort. If other is playing IFE just for his amazement, it's also his right - he also had paid for the IFE, like the one had paid for his reclining seat. (Of course it can lead to an disagreement too, but it's other story). But if it is only to annoy the reclining one, than it's childish.
IMO, you need yo consider the intention. One doesn't recline in order to "invade" other space, but to have more comfort. If other is playing IFE just for his amazement, it's also his right - he also had paid for the IFE, like the one had paid for his reclining seat. (Of course it can lead to an disagreement too, but it's other story). But if it is only to annoy the reclining one, than it's childish.
Sep 12, 2014, 3:03 pm
#57
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 240
One might argue that the airlines should give all passengers enough room to recline without placing the seat in the lap of the person behind it. 
On my flight where I couldn't read a newspaper with the person in front of me reclined, so could I not stand up and edge out from under his seat without holding on to his seat for balance. I will admit that it gave me a bit of satisfaction that every time I moved, so did his seat, and not because I was trying to annoy him.
On my flight where I couldn't read a newspaper with the person in front of me reclined, so could I not stand up and edge out from under his seat without holding on to his seat for balance. I will admit that it gave me a bit of satisfaction that every time I moved, so did his seat, and not because I was trying to annoy him.
Sep 14, 2014, 10:13 pm
#58
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
One might argue that the airlines should give all passengers enough room to recline without placing the seat in the lap of the person behind it.
On my flight where I couldn't read a newspaper with the person in front of me reclined, so could I not stand up and edge out from under his seat without holding on to his seat for balance. I will admit that it gave me a bit of satisfaction that every time I moved, so did his seat, and not because I was trying to annoy him.
On my flight where I couldn't read a newspaper with the person in front of me reclined, so could I not stand up and edge out from under his seat without holding on to his seat for balance. I will admit that it gave me a bit of satisfaction that every time I moved, so did his seat, and not because I was trying to annoy him.
The issue is that you choose to be upright and thus the recliner is invading the space you've chosen to short yourself.
BJ
Sep 17, 2014, 7:31 pm
#60
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 431
Coach seats are meant to be reclined. They are in the upright position for takeoff and landing. They are extremely uncomfortable fully upright.
Those who choose to sit upright for the duration of the flight and cheat themselves out of the intended extra degrees of recline can do so but not at the expense of other passengers who want to sit in the seats as they were designed to be sat in.
BJ
Those who choose to sit upright for the duration of the flight and cheat themselves out of the intended extra degrees of recline can do so but not at the expense of other passengers who want to sit in the seats as they were designed to be sat in.
BJ