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Old Mar 17, 2022 | 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by behuman
Well dear BinSabai, one must bee a fool to leave without predeparture PCR test and then risk to test positive on arrival going to hospitel jail or whatever.

Thai nationals already now can enter without predeparture test.
I agree with you about the pre departure test. I do not think anyone wants to risk getting stuck in a hospital or a quarantine facility in Thailand.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 3:36 am
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Just my personal opinion but dropping the pre-departure doesn't make sense. I will not travel to Thailand until that awful Thai Pass website (with glaring security and data privacy issues) bites the dust.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by thbe
The positive rate on arrival of travelers from some origins were very high (up to 17%) a few weeks ago. Since then the pre-departure test is seen as not reliable by some Thai authorities. They dont care, that people from most of the countries (i.e. Russia) with that high numbers dont travel anymore. They also prefer to have the testing business in Thailand to having it in the countries of origin.

On the other hand without the need of a pre-departure test the positive rate on arrival will go up as the number in many Western countries are high and there will always be a lot of people who are inexperienced enough to travel to Thailand without getting tested before departure. And Thailand hasnt enough resources for PCR testing many more travelers.

Im quite sure, that they will change the test on arrival to an ATK test or that they will scrap it in the next months. And everyone who travels to Thailand should have an ATK test before departure as long as there are tests after arrival.
Part of the issue is that the PCR tests are not identical. The test used in Thailand is more "sensitive" then what the majority of the world uses. I don't know the specifics, but it will ping positive at a lower detection level then tests typically done in the USA / Europe / Etc.

Another potential issue upcoming....with more and more locations getting rid of test requirements, the ability to easily get PCR tests, especially with tight / quick turnaround times, will get more difficult....or much more expensive. Or likely, both.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 7:09 am
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Pre-departure PCR tests are gone as of 1 April. PCR testing upon arrival and ATK testing on day 5 will apparently continue, as will the $20K insurance requirement, as will Thailand Pass/Test&Go.

Good luck with that, Thailand.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...d-from-april-1
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 7:58 am
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Originally Posted by Diplomatico
Pre-departure PCR tests are gone as of 1 April. PCR testing upon arrival and ATK testing on day 5 will apparently continue, as will the $20K insurance requirement, as will Thailand Pass/Test&Go.

Good luck with that, Thailand.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...d-from-april-1
I would rather do the pre arrival PCR than the testing on arrival. It is a pain in the neck.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 8:12 am
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At the same meeting they‘ve said, that they will decide in April if they will change the PCR test on arrival to an ATK test. The odds are very high, that this will happen.

It‘s very likely that the Thai Pass will be scraped starting on July 1. And between July 1 and now, they will go on easing the measures.

That is as much as they can do. And yes, if anyone thinks, that it‘s not acceptable, he should avoid traveling to Thailand.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 9:32 am
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That is as much as they can do. And yes, if anyone thinks, that its not acceptable, he should avoid traveling to Thailand.[/QUOTE]

Correct. Definitely Thailand is not yet ready to receive "normal" tourists. There is an obsession for wearing masks absolutely everywhere at least in Bangkok, not only in closed places, mass transit or crowded markets (where it is appropriate), but even at 6 AM in a park.

Doesn't make for a relaxing holiday.

People are absolulety scared, except when they are eating their sweets with friends from the same plate or eating their sticky rice from the same basket.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by thbe
At the same meeting theyve said, that they will decide in April if they will change the PCR test on arrival to an ATK test. The odds are very high, that this will happen.

Its very likely that the Thai Pass will be scraped starting on July 1. And between July 1 and now, they will go on easing the measures.

That is as much as they can do. And yes, if anyone thinks, that its not acceptable, he should avoid traveling to Thailand.
If Thailand makes it easier for people to quarantine and also not get scammed in the process then obviously more people would go and the tourism would be a lot better.
The cost of a limo from AOT was about 850 BHT to downtown. A PCR test is about 1500 to 2000. Then add a hotel room at a 4 star which is about 2500 to 3000 at max. I normally pay around 1700 to 2200 depending on the season. But now most of the hotels charge you around 5900 to 6200 BHT just for that one night.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by thbe
At the same meeting theyve said, that they will decide in April if they will change the PCR test on arrival to an ATK test. The odds are very high, that this will happen.

Its very likely that the Thai Pass will be scraped starting on July 1. And between July 1 and now, they will go on easing the measures.

That is as much as they can do. And yes, if anyone thinks, that its not acceptable, he should avoid traveling to Thailand.
Completely agree - restrictions are gradually going away and that is a good thing. Compared to the rest of Asia we in Thailand are miles ahead!

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If Thailand makes it easier for people to quarantine and also not get scammed in the process then obviously more people would go and the tourism would be a lot better.
The cost of a limo from AOT was about 850 BHT to downtown. A PCR test is about 1500 to 2000. Then add a hotel room at a 4 star which is about 2500 to 3000 at max. I normally pay around 1700 to 2200 depending on the season. But now most of the hotels charge you around 5900 to 6200 BHT just for that one night.
Well that is a pretty unreasonable comparison - and AOTs cheapest option (the Isuzu) has been 1,100 (or 1,050?) for a long time before covid.

The one night charge comparison is unreasonable too - that contains sealed transport from airport to hotel, includes testing. So by all means, stay away - I dont see people complaining like crazy about Singapore, Hong Kong etc which are by far more crazy..
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by Davvidd
If Thailand makes it easier for people to quarantine and also not get scammed in the process then obviously more people would go and the tourism would be a lot better.
Thats already the case and there are less examples for scams like that as you maybe think. Many tourists had their quarantine in their hotel after testing positive on arrival. The quote of positive tests is down to 0,27% after scraping the PCR test on day 5 and after the number of travelers from Russia went down to almost zero.

Originally Posted by Davvidd
The cost of a limo from AOT was about 850 BHT to downtown. A PCR test is about 1500 to 2000. Then add a hotel room at a 4 star which is about 2500 to 3000 at max. I normally pay around 1700 to 2200 depending on the season. But now most of the hotels charge you around 5900 to 6200 BHT just for that one night.
Right now Thailand has the highest numbers of infections of the whole pandemic. Same for many travelers countries. But they are still scraping all regulations within 4.5 months (starting mid of February until end of June). Its up to you to think, that they should be faster and that they should scrap all measures right now.

Ive been to Phuket in September last year and six times to Bangkok since November 1. And Ive saved more money on flights and hotels than Ive spent on PCR tests and transportation. Also Ive had special experiences. I.e. being the only person at Patong beach within 200 yards or more on a Saturday afternoon. That wont happen again.

We all want our old life back. And Im happy that the Thai government now follows the plan to scrap all rules until July 1.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by thbe
At the same meeting theyve said, that they will decide in April if they will change the PCR test on arrival to an ATK test. The odds are very high, that this will happen.

Its very likely that the Thai Pass will be scraped starting on July 1. And between July 1 and now, they will go on easing the measures.

That is as much as they can do. And yes, if anyone thinks, that its not acceptable, he should avoid traveling to Thailand.
No reason to be passive-aggressive (like the rest of your cheerleader mates here) when responding.....just say "if YOU think it's not acceptable, then YOU should avoid traveling to Thailand."

I do think it's unacceptable and I will avoid traveling to Thailand. Given the bumbling dictatorship's recent track record on "opening up for tourists", I suspect millions of other prospective tourists will join me in that decision.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Diplomatico
No reason to be passive-aggressive (like the rest of your cheerleader mates here) when responding.....just say "if YOU think it's not acceptable, then YOU should avoid traveling to Thailand."

I do think it's unacceptable and I will avoid traveling to Thailand. Given the bumbling dictatorship's recent track record on "opening up for tourists", I suspect millions of other prospective tourists will join me in that decision.
Don't know about millions, but here are 2 who just cancelled their trip.. If you don't trust the testing procedures in other coutnries, why don't you ask your local reprerenstatives to arrange this? I wouldn't mind to do any test monitored by the Thai embassy or consulate BEFORE departure..
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Diplomatico
I do think it's unacceptable and I will avoid traveling to Thailand. Given the bumbling dictatorship's recent track record on "opening up for tourists", I suspect millions of other prospective tourists will join me in that decision.
With or without the restrictions there aren‘t additional millions of tourists who would go to Thailand until end of June.
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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by thbe
With or without the restrictions there aren‘t additional millions of tourists who would go to Thailand until end of June.
Think again.

Mexico - another tourism dependent country but one which has no entry restrictions - had 1.65 million tourists in January 2022. Thailand had 133,000 "visitor arrivals" in the same month.

https://tradingeconomics.com/mexico/tourist-arrivals

In 2021, Mexico had 31 million tourists that brought in $18.5 billion dollars in tourism revenue. In the first ten months of 2021, Thailand had 106,000 tourists.

https://mexicobusiness.news/aerospac...-tourists-2021

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...ors%20a%20year.

People are traveling - and want to travel. They just don't want illogical, inane, and expensive barriers to entry (e.g., Thailand Pass, Test & Go, insurance and quarantine scams) foisted upon them when they do.

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Old Mar 18, 2022 | 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by SKT-DK
So by all means, stay away - I dont see people complaining like crazy about Singapore, Hong Kong etc which are by far more crazy..
In the travel context Singapore are now well ahead of Thailand when it comes to ease of entry requirements. Pre-departure lateral flow/antigen test, pre-registration of your vaccination status in a easy to use website (where as far my personal details have not been compromised) and a self administered, self procured on arrival lateral flow/antigen test.

Whilst on the subject of crazy this article did make me laugh though.
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