THAI: News
Oct 2, 2016, 12:18 am
#106
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SFO-BKK is a bit shorter than LAX. But it would still take some 17 hours. LAX-BKK adds another 40 min.
I am afraid that the economics are poor even with oil at $50 and A350 (they would need to devote a minimum of two frames to this rotation). The only way you could make such a fuel-hungry route work is with a lot of premium pax, but BKK is not a business-heavy destination. It will end up with cheap Y pax and awards in premium cabin.
A one-stop would make it less fuel-expensive but competition is tough as TG would only be flying to one US city. In comparison, airlines such as CX, NH, UA (via codeshares), KE, OZ or Chinese airlines fly to many US cities. TG would only attract traffic to/from that single US city. And major northern Asia airports are either already congested (HKG for example) or would not easily grant fifth freedom rights.
But TG wants the branding contribution of flying to the USA even at a loss (whatever their blabla).
I am afraid that the economics are poor even with oil at $50 and A350 (they would need to devote a minimum of two frames to this rotation). The only way you could make such a fuel-hungry route work is with a lot of premium pax, but BKK is not a business-heavy destination. It will end up with cheap Y pax and awards in premium cabin.
A one-stop would make it less fuel-expensive but competition is tough as TG would only be flying to one US city. In comparison, airlines such as CX, NH, UA (via codeshares), KE, OZ or Chinese airlines fly to many US cities. TG would only attract traffic to/from that single US city. And major northern Asia airports are either already congested (HKG for example) or would not easily grant fifth freedom rights.
But TG wants the branding contribution of flying to the USA even at a loss (whatever their blabla).
What is likely/ already happened is TG will end up hiring someone with a hell of a lot of money to conduct a market research that is made up of incompetence ppl and utterly useless. Something stupid will come up and then the VIPs will say something and it ends up just like a joke.
A leisure destination/ departure point does not necessarily mean it won't work at all. Driving the other week and heard on the radio EK manager speaking about 3rd daily A380 to MAN. The first thing came to me was crazy traffic when added to the other two ME carriers.
(Population size+Land area+holiday makers destinations+income range+age group/affordability + frequency &time)*buffer / cost = go figure.
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Oct 2, 2016, 1:50 am
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I'd pay for California-BKK (my own dime).
My parents won't come to Thailand with me because "it's too far" when they see having to take 1 long + another flight. However, if it was just 1 really long flight I know I could get them to do it.
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I'd pay for California-BKK (my own dime).
My parents won't come to Thailand with me because "it's too far" when they see having to take 1 long + another flight. However, if it was just 1 really long flight I know I could get them to do it.
Oct 3, 2016, 12:10 am
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Agree with you completely.
What is likely/ already happened is TG will end up hiring someone with a hell of a lot of money to conduct a market research that is made up of incompetence ppl and utterly useless. Something stupid will come up and then the VIPs will say something and it ends up just like a joke.
A leisure destination/ departure point does not necessarily mean it won't work at all. Driving the other week and heard on the radio EK manager speaking about 3rd daily A380 to MAN. The first thing came to me was crazy traffic when added to the other two ME carriers.
(Population size+Land area+holiday makers destinations+income range+age group/affordability + frequency &time)*buffer / cost = go figure.
"Tell me something I don't know" right?
What is likely/ already happened is TG will end up hiring someone with a hell of a lot of money to conduct a market research that is made up of incompetence ppl and utterly useless. Something stupid will come up and then the VIPs will say something and it ends up just like a joke.
A leisure destination/ departure point does not necessarily mean it won't work at all. Driving the other week and heard on the radio EK manager speaking about 3rd daily A380 to MAN. The first thing came to me was crazy traffic when added to the other two ME carriers.
(Population size+Land area+holiday makers destinations+income range+age group/affordability + frequency &time)*buffer / cost = go figure.
"Tell me something I don't know" right?
Note that EK has a business model that is very different from TG.
It uses ME location to do what some people call a butterfly network. EK flies from DXB to all kinds of Australasian destinations and all kinds of European?American destinations. It flies to important business/leisure markets. With its butterfly, it can draw a huge Australasian crowd (the right wing) to/from MAN and another huge set of destinations in Europe/America (The left wing). EK uses primarily big birds (over 80 A380, over 150 777) and the leisure market is a primary target. Fuel costs on two 8-hour segments are lower than a one 15-hour segment because on long routes, as contemplated by TG, one needs to carry fuel to fly fuel. And flying a full A380 is much cheaper per pax.
Note that QR has a different business model. It flies to more destinations than EK although a much smaller airline. But it uses a lot of small planes like A330, A350, B787.
Oct 7, 2016, 4:05 pm
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Oct 11, 2016, 10:49 pm
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Brisbane-bound passengers endure 36-hour diversion
PASSENGERS on a Thai Airways’ flight from Bangkok to Brisbane have had an unscheduled stopover in Bali after an engine problem forced an emergency landing at Denpasar.
The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner had been delayed three-hours in Bangkok and was a few hours into the flight when passengers noticed a change in the flight path information.
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PASSENGERS on a Thai Airways’ flight from Bangkok to Brisbane have had an unscheduled stopover in Bali after an engine problem forced an emergency landing at Denpasar.
The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner had been delayed three-hours in Bangkok and was a few hours into the flight when passengers noticed a change in the flight path information.
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Oct 26, 2016, 8:17 pm
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Nov 12, 2016, 6:20 pm
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Thai Airways posts narrower Q3 loss on lower fuel costs
* Q3 net loss 1.6 bln baht vs 9.9 bln baht loss yr earlier
* Op loss down to 836 mln baht as fuel costs down 33.6 pct
* Analysts expect turn around in Q4 on high travel season
http://www.reuters.com/article/thai-...-idUSL4N1DC3NJ
Thai Airways extends selection period to find new president
Thai Airways International is extending the period for recruiting a new president until December 2.
The selected person will replace current THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira, whose term ends in February. He has served as president of the national carrier since December 2014. Based on his contract, his term ends when he turns 60 next year.
Somchai Satjapong, chairman of the presidential selection committee, said the airline earlier invited interested persons to apply for the top post at the national carrier from September 19 to October 31.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news...gnews/30299360
* Q3 net loss 1.6 bln baht vs 9.9 bln baht loss yr earlier
* Op loss down to 836 mln baht as fuel costs down 33.6 pct
* Analysts expect turn around in Q4 on high travel season
http://www.reuters.com/article/thai-...-idUSL4N1DC3NJ
Thai Airways extends selection period to find new president
Thai Airways International is extending the period for recruiting a new president until December 2.
The selected person will replace current THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira, whose term ends in February. He has served as president of the national carrier since December 2014. Based on his contract, his term ends when he turns 60 next year.
Somchai Satjapong, chairman of the presidential selection committee, said the airline earlier invited interested persons to apply for the top post at the national carrier from September 19 to October 31.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news...gnews/30299360
Nov 12, 2016, 10:47 pm
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THAI to miss its revenue target for this year
NATIONAL FLAG carrier Thai Airways International has admitted that it may be unable to achieve this year’s revenue target of Bt180 billion due to tough global competition and airline’s uncompleted management plans.
The carrier is also facing a slump in business in key markets including mainland China due to a crackdown on “zero dollar” tours, THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira said.
“The airline is now operating with very low yield because of tough competition in the global market. Meanwhile, the average cabin factor for the entire year should be 75 per cent, lower than the target of 80 per cent,” he told the media on Friday.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30299870
NATIONAL FLAG carrier Thai Airways International has admitted that it may be unable to achieve this year’s revenue target of Bt180 billion due to tough global competition and airline’s uncompleted management plans.
The carrier is also facing a slump in business in key markets including mainland China due to a crackdown on “zero dollar” tours, THAI president Charamporn Jotikasthira said.
“The airline is now operating with very low yield because of tough competition in the global market. Meanwhile, the average cabin factor for the entire year should be 75 per cent, lower than the target of 80 per cent,” he told the media on Friday.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30299870
Nov 14, 2016, 12:04 am
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THAI will spend Bt2.8 billion to upgrade six of its Boeing 777-200 ER and Bt1.3 billion to upgrade six Boeing 787-8, while nearly Bt2 billion has been earmarked for its Airbus A330-300s. All the planes will have new seats installed and will be equipped with WiFi.
And why does the 787-8 need a upgrade?
Does anyone have some info on this?