At the same time, this is a free website and not a huge source of ad revenue. It's probably easier to shut down FT than it is to fire someone and deal with HR. I find myself trying to put things in perspective more and more often these days, but at the end of the day it's just a website -- it isn't a big deal.

-J.

Well when you spend your time trying to put up wikis and guide threads, and it takes 3x as long as it should due to the poor editor, and then wikis are messed around with with features lost, I think any sane person would get somewhat annoyed. So yes I fully understand where beltway is coming from, and tbh it makes me less and less inclined to put any effort in to doing them anymore. Clearly if many of us take that approach it does have a real negative impact on the value of the forum.

So tbh firing them is about how I feel too.

Mistakes can be made, if you do very little work, you won't make many errors. If they are very costly mistakes or too many people are negatively impacted, you find out a) how did it happen and b) what measures you plan to take to prevent it from ever happening again.

I don’t get any sense any developer for this forum is asking any of those questions I am afraid.

Wow, that's a major issue. I've reported with high priority

In the "Is a Global Entry card required?" thread:

I hope these issues can be fixed soon. It seems others have already noted all the problems I'm running into (no history, goofy cut-off for 'show more'), but so far they are still all present. Perhaps understandable given the US holiday. If that is the case, the changes should have been held until after the holiday, but alas.

I am holding off from some wiki edits until they are resolved.

The easy fix, at least in any competent coding group, would be to immediately roll back all the changes to the status quo ante. Once that’s done, the room of infinite monkeys can go back to the drawing board to do bug fixes (and, PLEASE GOD, a few rounds of testing) at their leisure.

So I have an open bug report of the cancel button functioning as a save button. I've also asked if a rollback is feasible. However, that will reintroduce the bugs from before, at least in the short-term

Those bugs were much better than these bugs. So yes please to rollback!

Hard agree. This is not a close call. Yes, the previous code had significant issues, but I�ll take 80% functionality over 55%�being generous here�any day.

"Cancel" button now works again

I just tested this and was successful. Thank you!

-J.

raising several issues here...

1. I noticed an apparently-truncated wiki at Report spam / spammer post issues here (PLEASE read wikipost)

and what it has in common with the IHG page above is that the "show more" cutoff is in the middle of a LIST element if you view the source.

The "report spam" wiki in fact had a series of nested LISTs -- each bullet item opened a new LIST tag and then there were a string of /LIST at the end. I deleted the nested tags and that seems to have fixed the truncation problem, although because the "show more" ... happens in the middle of the list, it looks weird when you expand it (similar to the IHG thread)

The wiki on the referenced AC thread actually looks pretty normal, formatting wise -- out of curiosity, was the cut here previously in the middle of a bulleted list also?

2. btw the AC link highlights another deficiency of the new wiki "product" -- https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...a-cowtool.html

the "Show more" link does not appear in a consistent location from one thread to another (on that AC thread it appears in the center of the page whereas in others it is on the lower left), and since it is the exact size and color as the rest of the regular wiki text, and does not change color or become underlined until you hover over it, this means you sometimes have to search around for a while until you find it. Whereas before, I remember the link being pretty prominent and easy to locate.

3. speaking of consistency, why is this entire wiki shown all at once? Using Global Upgrades on Delta (GUCs) post 2/1/2022 Changes

Although it does have a "Show more" link at the bottom, clicking on it results in absolutely nothing happening (other than changing to "Show less") -- the whole wiki content was already displayed to begin with. Clicking on "Show less" does remove one blank line at the end

Is there a reason the Wiki at https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...ll-call-2.html is not shown correctly, after being expanded?