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Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch
(Post 24163037)
* Can threads or individual posts deemed helpful be bookmarked/saved? On a shared level, there are also sticky threads, and stuff that goes out in TalkMail or on the front page. |
Originally Posted by tcook052
(Post 24160213)
I'm less confident as I can see on some forums and threads a snarky reply to a new member earning a bunch of 'helpful' votes even though the post wasn't helpful at all but quite the opposite. Others may agree, for example, that new members should dig for rather than be spoon fed answers and so could use the tool as a sign of agreement with the snark rather than its intended purpose.
I'm not convinced this is actually something FT needs this far along the line regardless of what others sites do on the topic. Just MHO. So in case it isn't clear, I think this would be a bad change for FT. I do not see the value and I see problems. |
I would rather see FT shut down completely then have any sort of "like" system dumped on everyone.
If this useless, unnecessary waste happens, there must be a way for a user to completely disable it, as they can with signatures and setting others to ignore. |
Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch
(Post 24163037)
How do you think it is taken care of with self-policing? Not sure how that would work.
People clearly think that post count is a valid metric that means something here @ FT. Some people with a lot of posts often tend to get away with a lot of crap that doesn't belong. If they now also have a lot of "likes", most people won't look to see if they were really deserved. They'll just trust the system. There will always be a (reasonably small, I think) subset of people who - for either competitiveness or self-worth reasons - will take a new metric and make it their mission to game it. I don't think that's a reason to avoid change, although it is an argument to proceed carefully (e.g., with a limited rollout) and observe the results. My comment about self-policing is that anybody who has done some reading on FT for some time starts to build a list (or a fuzzy sketch or a hazy image or however your brain works) in their head of who is reliable/helpful/thoughtful/funny/"a good poster" - however you define that - and who is not. Heck, just reading through a couple of hundred messages in this one thread can give you that sense. So if someone's posts are inaccurate, thoughtless, or always written in screaming all caps, yet they garnered 100 likes, observers will modify their mental list/sketch/impression accordingly. The person will be self-liking into ridiculousness. Plus, I heard that if you self-like too much, your hand will freeze that way. :D |
Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 24142600)
This is an interesting observation. In many ways. I think it says quite a lot about the TB elections, but to stay on topic, I'll keep it to this poll.
Nsx said the reason for re-opening this feature request was his pledge to his constituency, so a support of some 385 votes in this poll is to be expected. Some of the proponents are campaigning for this poll while I haven't seen any of opponents do, so I guess that means the final result will be a majority of 'support' when the poll closes. But if the like feature was the main platform of nsx's TB candidacy, what does another poll really say that the TB election didn't say? Are we just polling nsx's TB candidacy all over again? Of course we can't know that each poll'er meant by their vote. My point is a poll can only go so far in aiding the TB for a decision. I think we elect a complete TB to make balanced and informed decisions for us using all available information. A poll can be given more or less weight depending on circumstances, but I guess what I am saying is that it still is just a poll. I very much appreciate TB having this thread open and nsx for returning to the thread and keeping outlining his thoughts. I've seen a lot of very good comments here and I hope this thread have been as helpful to TB as intended. At this point I find it difficult to add anything substantial. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 24163932)
I would rather see FT shut down completely then have any sort of "like" system dumped on everyone.
If this useless, unnecessary waste happens, there must be a way for a user to completely disable it, as they can with signatures and setting others to ignore.
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 24163416)
My concerns are along these lines. In controversial / polarized discussion I see this "like"/"helpful" as just another way for the fractions to express their differences and PROVE one position is more right than another. (And a Dislike would make it even worst.) While in a nice clam/civil/factual world, the like could be useful, much of FT has an edge and this concept will just sharpen that edge. The nature of FT is just different from FB.
So in case it isn't clear, I think this would be a bad change for FT. I do not see the value and I see problems. |
Originally Posted by steveman518
(Post 24167943)
...I feel like this would be very bad particularly for the UA board with people still waging the pmUA and pmCO battles every once in a while
On the other had, those discussing miles, status-- how to use them, get them, etc., etc.-- while there very well be stupid use of "helpful" in those discussions/threads for all the reason presented in this thread-- they should still be able to thank a member for their contribution/knowledge or simply be able to help others find "the good stuff" with such use of the feature. Of course I say this as the author of some of the most historically helpful posts/threads on flyertalk-- so that may color my view slightly. :D |
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 24168741)
Of course I say this as the author of some of the most historically helpful posts/threads on flyertalk-- so that may color my view slightly. :D
Forget the “like.” Instead, thank you... |
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 24168763)
I think you have every right to be proud of your positive contributions to FlyerTalk, for what it is worth.
Forget the “like.” Instead, thank you... |
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 24168741)
I'd argue though that those engaging in the pointless "battles" (we have the same at AA presently) deserve what they get; if their "friends" or "allies" want to play games with "helpful" votes, it's stupid, but not much stupider than the thread itself at that point.
On the other had, those discussing miles, status-- how to use them, get them, etc., etc.-- while there very well be stupid use of "helpful" in those discussions/threads for all the reason presented in this thread-- they should still be able to thank a member for their contribution/knowledge or simply be able to help others find "the good stuff" with such use of the feature. Of course I say this as the author of some of the most historically helpful posts/threads on flyertalk-- so that may color my view slightly. :D |
Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 24168966)
Without a "helpful" button, members can still thank others for their contributions by posting "thank you" or something similar. I'd argue that a "thank you" post would be more meaningful than a "helpful" button being clicked, because it takes more to post "thank you," rather than just clicking a button.
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People can also use PMs or email to thank others for being especially helpful. This might be more meaningful to the recipient than a public (possibly anonymous) click of some like button.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24168991)
People can also use PMs or email to thank others for being especially helpful. This might be more meaningful to the recipient than a public (possibly anonymous) click of some like button.
But I'd maintain that seeing a post you find helpful and indicating same, and the ability for others to see that, -does- serve a purpose (a purpose beyond the "ego-boost", etc.-- whatever is being claimed) for other, mostly newer members. Obviously not everyone agrees-- some disagree strenuously-- and that's great. But, personally-- and obviously a chunk of people agree and others violently disagree-- I think it's a simple addition that would help and make FT a better and more informative place. Personally, I do not see it as remotely similar to the role "like" plays on Facebook in any way, shape or form. |
Originally Posted by amunter
(Post 24165685)
There will always be a (reasonably small, I think) subset of people who - for either competitiveness or self-worth reasons - will take a new metric and make it their mission to game it. I don't think that's a reason to avoid change, although it is an argument to proceed carefully (e.g., with a limited rollout) and observe the results.
Originally Posted by amunter
(Post 24165685)
My comment about self-policing is that anybody who has done some reading on FT for some time starts to build a list (or a fuzzy sketch or a hazy image or however your brain works) in their head of who is reliable/helpful/thoughtful/funny/"a good poster" - however you define that - and who is not.
Originally Posted by amunter
(Post 24165685)
Heck, just reading through a couple of hundred messages in this one thread can give you that sense.
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I'm glad TB is moving on this and the clear majority of FTers wants this! ^
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