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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 24169079)
You're talkin to a guy that gets a LOT of those :), and they are FAR more meaningful, no question about it.
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When the subject was brought up in 2013, FTers were split for/against approx 50/50%. When it was bumped up in 2014, FTers were split for/against approx 50/50%%. When the poll was first started, the nos were ahead of the yeses. That's now 59/39/2 yes to no (and some no opinion). With the poll, the sitewide announcement & mention in TM driving traffic, there are more yes votes. But the difference between before & now is still only 9%. I'm not sure I'd call a 9 point increase over 50/50 (especially given all the visibility) a huge clamoring for this feature.
Some are suggesting trials, but quite frankly I'd still question whether this is something that's of paramount concern/acclaim for implementation to go to trial. If TB thinks it is, then it needs to first address/answer the very legitimate questions and concerns BEFORE a trial is implemented. If it can't, then it shouldn't move forward. And it's ridiculous to suggest doing a trial in a few selected forums. If TB wants to implement something that's going to impact all of FT, then the trial has to be across ALL of FT. Cheers. |
Originally Posted by nsx
(Post 24141268)
"Alert a moderator" is one of the vBulletin functions needing improvement, IMHO. It provides no convenient way for a moderator to respond to the originator. Such a response would be useful when the moderator decides not to take any public action. Currently the originator has no way to know that the Alert was ever read.
I'm pretty sure that this problem has been mentioned to IB more than once, but I will be sure to include it in any discussions of software modifications for a "Helpful" button. |
Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
(Post 24173804)
When the subject was brought up in 2013, FTers were split for/against approx 50/50%. When it was bumped up in 2014, FTers were split for/against approx 50/50%%. When the poll was first started, the nos were ahead of the yeses. That's now 59/39/2 yes to no (and some no opinion). With the poll, the sitewide announcement & mention in TM driving traffic, there are more yes votes. But the difference between before & now is still only 9%. I'm not sure I'd call a 9 point increase over 50/50 (especially given all the visibility) a huge clamoring for this feature.
Some are suggesting trials, but quite frankly I'd still question whether this is something that's of paramount concern/acclaim for implementation to go to trial. If TB thinks it is, then it needs to first address/answer the very legitimate questions and concerns before a trial is implemented. If it can't, then it shouldn't move forward. And it's ridiculous to suggest doing a trial in a few selected forums. If TB wants to implement something that's going to impact all of FT, then the trial has to be across ALL of FT. Cheers. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24173857)
Often a political poll has a margin of error of plus or minus three percent. Yet these polls have carefully constructed wordings of the question and tend to use stratified samples of various (demographic and other) subgroups or responders ("oversampling" the smaller groups) within the targeted population.
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
(Post 24173958)
FT isn't that sophisticated :p :D
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24173981)
Of course not. My point is that the error of margin in this poll is surely much greater than the customary plus or minus three percent that we commonly see in professional political polls.
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
(Post 24174057)
Maybe; maybe not. But I think TB members will be looking at both the poll & the discussion threads when evaluating if there's a next step at all and/or what it might be if there is one. I have more faith in TB members than some of the professional politicians :D
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 24174107)
Huh? You think it's likely ("Maybe; maybe not") that this poll with its response rate is more accurate than polls constructed and conducted by professional pollsters (not professional politicians, there is a difference between the statistical consultants and the candidates)?
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Originally Posted by nsx
(Post 24170206)
If there isn't a downvote button, it's hard to see how things could get out of hand.
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
(Post 24173804)
...When it was bumped up in 2014, FTers were split for/against approx 50/50%
...That's now 59/39/2 yes to no (and some no opinion). ... But the difference between before & now is still only 9%. The difference between [50% in favor to 50% opposed] to [59% in favor to 39% opposed] sure isn't 9% |
Originally Posted by steveman518
(Post 24174261)
Not having the downvote mechanism will still result in factions who just compete for more upvotes (or as I would say, <redacted> with whatever mechanism is available to them)
(For that matter, do we even want a per-user upvote counter?) |
Originally Posted by nkedel
(Post 24175049)
What do they allegedly win by having the most upvotes?
(For that matter, do we even want a per-user upvote counter?) |
What I was trying to say tactfully is that it's pretty hard to be a good TB member and ignore this turnout and 60/38 vote split. Furthermore, history is not on the side of those against the Like button. It's clearly been massively successful in a wide range of applications. It's crowdsourcing at its finest.
Saying it can be a tool of trolls or nasty people is a non-sequitur as *posts* can also be a tool of suchlike. We already have the mod system in place. If the content of the post is acceptable according to FT rules and mods have not taken action, liking a certain post should be acceptable as well. If a post is within the rules but has a mean spirit behind it, a post with a nicer spirit should be made by people who are those sorts of people and the likes can proceed apace on each respective post. The bottom line is, any method of communication is simply a reflection of those communicating. We can no more stop mean people by limiting ourselves to morse code than we can by refusing to implement Likes. The bottom line, IMO, is that Likes are a massively helpful innovation that helps quality content rise to the top (SlickDeals, a similar forum, does an outstanding job with this) via rewarding quality work (through reputation scoring) and via curation. Furthermore, a clear majority of FTers wants it. |
Originally Posted by HansGolden
(Post 24169539)
I'm glad TB is moving on this and the clear majority of FTers wants this! ^
Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 24170611)
I think this is part of what you'll see. Snarky posts or "smackdowns" will get likes. What sort of message does that send to newbies? FT can already be harsh towards newbies. Do we need something that will encourage that harsh behavior?
Originally Posted by HansGolden
(Post 24175151)
The bottom line, IMO, is that Likes are a massively helpful innovation that helps quality content rise to the top (SlickDeals, a similar forum, does an outstanding job with this) via rewarding quality work (through reputation scoring) and via curation. Furthermore, a clear majority of FTers wants it.
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