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Originally Posted by mia
(Post 24143734)
It is. An "inaccurate" post is not a post that should be marked as Unhelpful. If you recognize that the information is inaccurate, post the correct information. A disputive post is unhelpful, and can be reported with the Alert function.
Originally Posted by rwoman
(Post 24144959)
Topics/posts leading to a barrage of "in before the lock / IBTL" posts come to mind.
When posted information is inaccurate, hopefully it is alerted to the mods or, if others point it out to the OP, the OP adjusts/deletes the misinformation. |
Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 24142192)
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24142025)
But we're not talking about a moderator editing a post here, we're talking (or at least the way I read it) about a post marked as helpful when it is not in fact that and what action a moderator is/is not to take-and THAT is a very big difference as I personally don't think moderators should be acting on what other members like/dislike/find helpful as then moderators are changing the opinion of another member. And with all of that, no one who has proposed or is actively supporting this issue has stated how that comes into play (or answered other questions for that matter but I digress)
Maybe I'm just in a confused state of mind, but can you clarify what you mean? I can't make out the point of your post. It kind of sounds like you're saying that you do not believe moderators should be censors of inaccurate information. That's fine, and I don't see any proposal here to make moderators censors of inaccurate information. Member#1 makes a post Member#2 clicks and marks the post as helpful Members 3, 4, & 5 report the post saying the post is not helpful Moderators review the post and while not helpful, it is accurate post and within ToS (i.e. "sorry, and no matter what you may think, what the agent told you is correct"*) Is a moderator supposed to "un-helpful" the post? *sorry, and I know there's a better example, but that's the best I can come up with on a lazy Saturday night sleep deprived Sunday :) |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24145732)
Let's try it this way....
Member#1 makes a post Member#2 clicks and marks the post as helpful Members 3, 4, & 5 report the post saying the post is not helpful Moderators review the post and while not helpful, it is accurate post and within ToS (i.e. "sorry, and no matter what you may think, what the agent told you is correct"*) Is a moderator supposed to "un-helpful" the post? I think this is a perfectly workable system:
Originally Posted by mia
(Post 24141840)
If a post contains inaccurate information it would not be ideal to mark it "Unhelpful". Instead, you should reply to the thread by posting the correct information. If there were a Helpful button your more accurate reply should attract clicks.
Originally Posted by mia
(Post 24143734)
If you recognize that the information is inaccurate, post the correct information.
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Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 24146580)
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24145732)
Let's try it this way....
Member#1 makes a post Member#2 clicks and marks the post as helpful Members 3, 4, & 5 report the post saying the post is not helpful Moderators review the post and while not helpful, it is accurate post and within ToS (i.e. "sorry, and no matter what you may think, what the agent told you is correct"*) Is a moderator supposed to "un-helpful" the post? *sorry, and I know there's a better example, but that's the best I can come up with on a lazy Saturday night sleep deprived Sunday :) I think this is a perfectly workable system: Now as to facebook and likes and flyertalk and likes, yes it does work on facebook (even when it's raining ;)) but afaik, there isn't a way to game the system on facebook and as has been discussed numerous times in this thread, a) this is not facebook and b) this is flyertalk where gaming the system is a way of life ;) |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24146683)
And that's all I asked and you are the only TB member to actually answer my question ^ as I do not think moderators should be in the business of un-helpfulling a post.
...and jackal is not currently a member of TalkBoard. |
I don't think a "Like" or "helpful" button is necessary, or that either will provide any substantive and positive impact on FT. On boards where the function is provided, I ignore it. I don't need to know that 7 other people have found a post to useful to consider it useful. I reach that conclusion on my own.
That said, I wouldn't object to seeing a "helpful" button added. If it helps some people evaluate the utility of a given post, I see no problem in adding that functionality. Adding a "like" button is a juvenile idea, IMHO. It has a sort of Sally Field aspect to it - "you like me, you really like me." ;) |
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 24146927)
I do not believe so either...
...and jackal is not currently a member of TalkBoard. |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24146683)
Now as to facebook and likes and flyertalk and likes, yes it does work on facebook (even when it's raining ;)) but afaik, there isn't a way to game the system on facebook
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Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 24147186)
The system as I see it being proposed here (and before SkiAdcock tries to challenge me on this, I'll clarify :p) by nsx, who is the chief proponent of this idea and without whose blessing no proposal will likely move forward, works pretty much exactly liek Facebook's. So how can Facebook's implementation not be gamed but this one can? Why can't we create one that can't be gamed here? That seems to be exactly what is being proposed here.
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Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 24147362)
On Facebook, most have a limited scope of who can see/like/comment on posts. As such, the potential for gaming is reduced.
Here, that seems LESS likely, unless I missed a separate part of the proposal that the "like" systems feed back to something. What's to game? Here, there isn't a a limited scope of who can see/like/comment on posts in most forums. I think people who assert that other people will be assessing the credibility of posts based on the number of "likes" (or "helpfuls") received are expecting far too much attention to such things. If there's some broader count of "likes" received, that's something to be gamed -- I suppose it's kind of like all the OMNI/Games idiocy to boost post count -- but I still can't see why anyone should be expected to care about those numbers. I remember other people felt strongly about the whole "OMNI doesn't count" change, and I didn't "get" that either. I haven't seen anyone suggesting we go to a full reputation system or highlighting posts based on "likes" -- both of which would be more amenable to manipulating the numbers, and I don't see any reason why we should do so and plenty of reasons not to, but I can't see how a a positive-only system, and especially one kept track of only on individual posts, adds any of those issues. As I said up-thread, a simple system could be good for eliminating "thanks" and "me too" posts, and giving lower-engagement users a way of engaging with threads. Both seem like a plus, and the former in particular might improve the signal-to-noise ratio of some threads. |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 24147009)
Whoops! And I think I see the door to the penalty box opening... ;)
...you get a Tootsie Pop anyway. |
I don't like this; it often ends up being a rep contest and that's never good. It also gets distracting and does it really add content to the thread? Will threads that people "like" look bigger on the page or they will just look the same? If they look the same then what's the point? Just more stuff to read.
However on many forums there is an option to pose a question (ie: there is a checkbox that asks if this is a question oppose to just a discussion); in this case, I think a "Answered" or "This is helpful" button is appropriate. Once a question is answered, the thread should be closed. There should be no reason to bump up a five year old thread. A lot of information become outdated in this day and age very quickly. I oppose this, but if it's offered, I hope there is an option for members to turn off seeing this. This I think is the best of both worlds. |
Well, the other thing on FB is that (if I'm not mistaken) if you've "liked" something you tend to get their info/notices as well as have their name show up in things you've "liked", so they get exposure through several avenues from that "like".
With that said, I'm worried about gaming and ego-stroking as an unwanted side-effect here. At the very least, if this is implemented I would like to be able to totally disable the function (i.e. "See no likes, get no likes, offer no likes"). |
Originally Posted by alphaod
(Post 24149073)
I oppose this, but if it's offered, I hope there is an option for members to turn off seeing this. This I think is the best of both worlds.
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BTW - there will be a notice re: this issue in tomorrow's Talkmail & directing people to the poll/this thread. In chatting with canarsie, I agreed to do a 'wiki' for pros/cons, questions, etc, since most FTers aren't going to wade through such a long thread & the wiki can be the 'cliff notes' version. Heck, it's taking me a while to wade through this thread, the one in BA, and the 2 Omnis to pull out the pros, the cons, the questions (and/or answers if there are some), concerns, and condense them into something manageable and easy to read. Wiki has to be done before TM goes out in the morning. No pressure :D
Cheers. |
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