If Doc has had a poster apparently stalking him for months I suspect Doc felt it WAS necessary? He clearly took a good deal of time to type the post, so just curious why anyone here would query if he felt it 'necessary'. And query him again when he answered you.

I found it interesting if sad that it is occurring. Indeed, a few of the words and phrases used by gamble0813 seemed VERY familiar to me now I read them all in one place. Very enlightening. So the long montage possibly served a useful purpose. I have passed on my thoughts to those who may be able to look into that.



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What? Are we reading the same material?

Where you apparently see a "flame back", I, frankly, do not! However, surely you will enlighten me, no?

Again, as noted many times previously, I did, and do, in fact, listen! Need I also necessarily agree as well?

Who doesn't care what others think? You?

Curiously, whenever I'm being "flamed", you have seemingly always negleted to post, eh? No outrage? No need to? Unless, of course you elect to join in on the beating!

Thank you kindly, as always, for your thoughtful post reaffirming my rights!

Have a great weekend all!

Exactly Doc, let's please all just get along and enjoy our miles, points and WEEKEND

it appears to me, that even such 'innocent' threads need moderators and moderation!

Just a slightly off-topic reminder:

We'd really appreciate it if instead of bringing back old posts in this forum, if you'd create a new one and just reference the old link. This will save us reading through 4 pages before we realize the content is months old... a time-consuming task.

Thanks all!

--Lisa

Oh and e-mailing Randy or one of the FT admins was not a viable option? Oh, I see... we here have to take matters into our own hands.

Well I thought I clarified that with my followup post. See my previous paragraph in this post too. The majority of it was using his index (aka FT search) and copy and paste of a few synopses plus links. (It's nice to see that doc has gotten the hang of it. Must be habit from his news postings where doc was convinced [I'd like to think that other FTers had a hand in this] that it is better to post a synopsis and a link rather than posting entire articles. Sorry, I digress.)

Simple: doc is courteous in that he always answers.

Thank you for your continued vigilance. And who may I ask are you alleging that is posting under a duplicate identity?

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I don't know! Maybe not! I guess it's a matter of perspective and we are both very familiar with the idea that the two of us have very different perspectives.

Again, a matter of interpretation.

I'd say it's more like you hear but do not listen.

No, no, no... I meant you don't care what others think. You just go on posting whatever way pleases you. That is your right and privilege. I'm just not sure why you are bothering with this one detractor.

I'm not at all expressing outrage at your "flaming back" (my words, not yours!) of this other person. Just curiosity as to why you need to bother at all in the first place. After all, if the esteemed poster policeman ozstamps is correct, this person hounding you is a duplicate ID (at least that's what I think he's alleging -- hard to tell when he doesn't just come out and say it) and you will not need to worry about it anymore.

Of course. It's all about rights around here, is it not?

Hope you have a great weekend too. It's now Friday!

FewMiles..

P.S. Out of idle curiosity, why did you advocate this gamble person to run for TalkBoard? So that he/she can "take action" against you in a more formal setting? You know they do not have that kind of power. Or is so that you can heap more criticism on him/her claiming it is because they are a Talk member and should be held to some sort of higher standard? Hmmm... scratch that idea. That's not you at all doc, I must be thinking of someone else. Sorry. I know you were only being sincere that this should be brought up with the TalkBoard if it is such an issue with this person. Is that correct?

P.P.S. Sorry I had to zap all the smileys when I quoted you, but you had used up nearly the entire quota, and left me no choice.

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If you believe someone is using multiple handles, please share your opinion on who it is. I think we need to "out" such people wherever they exist.

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"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."

Thanks for your speedy response!

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Indeed, you do digress! Yet since you bring it up, that would not be quite correct. While this may well have been prior to your first posting here on FT, I suppose, you can easily review the old threads, if interested.

FWIW, as I recall, while others did post complete articles somewhat routinely in the past, and while I initially did not do so when I'd first come to post, I did eventually, like others, post entire articles as well. Many FT'ers preferred it and apparently still do.

Yet, due to criticism for such, by some, albeit highly selective in nature, I began to post only a link, as you say! Yet again, it is off-topic, as you noted. I'll grant you that!


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And so therefore what?

If we do not agree, why continue to publicly argue? Must I agree with you and your position to end this "nonsense?"

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Please forgive me for being blunt but, IMHO, this is simply plain "baloney." I said nothing that could objectively be construed as a "flame" by any reasonable, unbiased person.


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Right, if you do not agree, it only follows that you do not listen! Got it now! Please!

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I go on doing what I think is right, yes!

My sincere apologies to you, and to any and all others, including but not limited to "gamble0813," who are perhaps not pleased!

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You are the expert, albeit self proclaimed, I imagine. So whatever you say! I just want to demonstrate that I am indeed listening!


IMHO, it's conceiveably more about people who think that they know what's best for everyone else, no?

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Yes, thanks, I'm aware, thanks, as I'd said yesterday. Did you neglect to read it?

You apparently have a great talent and interest in the days of the week it appears! Great, enjoy! Perhaps you can do a FT calendar?

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Why? Uh,... I'd surmise that simply reading the post would say why, no? Are you perhaps suggesting that I did not say what I mean? You doubt my sincerity? Is this possibly what you thought of as my "flame?" Shame on you!

Given that they have consistently demonstrated a tremendous interest in the FT Boards, and specifically in the quality of content and the rules/processes, isn't it logical to think that they might be better able to effect a policy change consistent with their interests as a TB member? I never thought of you as being obtuse by any stretch of the imagination, so I do now hope that it is very clear.

Recall:

"Among the most important first duties as president of TalkBoard, cigarman assigned Vice President Mike (chexfan) the roll of research and implementation of new Moderators on FlyerTalk. This immediate action by the Board is expected to bring about a more even application of posting procedures and policing of member TOS violations. I think we're all looking forward to seeing the work of the Board in this area."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forumcgi/ub...n=2452338.2002


Curiously, have I been criticizing any TB member? Or anyone for that matter? Why would you even ask?

And could you not also have simply used e-mailed for your comments as well? Why, after all, are we having this discussion online, as I'm fairly certain that it pleases no one! Or rather, next to nobody!

Again the regarding "higher standards" issue, please recall that it is you that had purported to hold me to a higher standard and that I have, in sharp contrast always emphasized equally and equal treatment for all FT'ers. Don't you recall? Need I post all the links?

So, yes, scratch that! Was it you, yourself, that you were perhaps thinking of? Or perhaps someone else?

In closing, I am utterly baffled as to the meaning of your ending comment "Sorry. I know you were only being sincere that this should be brought up with the TalkBoard if it is such an issue with this person. Is that correct?" So I can not comment!

Incidentally, perhaps you too may be intersted in running for the TB?

In any case, I see this discussion as increasingly fruitless. Perhaps we can agree to disagree and either end it or take it offline. Besides I have the weekend off as I said yesterday!

Have a great weekend all!



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LOL

Well there certainly are some excellent typing and layout skills being used above Rudi, I will say that.

Enjoy that weekend when it reaches you Doc and everyone else. Now 6am Saturday morning here, and I am off to read my weekend newspapers, and possibly discover if there are in fact bigger and more burning issues on this earth than who posts what and where on FT.



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And thanks for yours too!

Oh, my bad. I forgot, not only do you have 10x the number of posts as me, you are also my FT elder by six months. I guess I was thinking of others.

Well, since you post so many news articles, I believe people felt it was important for you to set a good example by not posting complete articles. Either way, I'm glad you do that, so that we don't have to have debates about copyright issues, which some people on other boards sometimes seem clueless about.

Nonsense? I'm disappointed doc. I thought we were trying to have a civil debate with logical arguments here. Seeing as you feel this is all nonsense, I shall not further continue this debate with you... after I finish replying of course.

Your opinion, fine. I happen to disagree and let's leave it at that. But, unlike you, I will not call my opponent's argument by any names of food products or animal by-products.

Geez, take a joke already. Puh-leaze! (You like that tone?) Did you not see the smiley or where you so eager to use a at me that you missed it? Next time I'll remember to joke only with my friends.

Good, post any way you darn well please!

Why apologise? You don't need to feel sorry about anything. This gamble person doesn't like your posting style, so what? What do you care? Tough luck for him! You're not doing anything wrong! So why apologise? On the one hand you believe you are right and on the other hand you apologise so profusely it's like you think you're wrong!

OK, so you are listening. You were right. But what's this about me being an expert? On what? All I was saying is that you're right, it's your right to do things any way you **** well please. You're not violating the TOS at all.

IYHO, sure. Are you implying that I think I know what's best for everyone? Well, what can I do dispel that misconception?

No I did not miss it. And no, I am not making a joke about you wishing everyone a good weekend yesterday when it was only Thursday. Lucky for you, you have a long weekend. For me, the weekend only begins today.

And you know, I never neglect to read what you post.

As great a talent as you have at indexing all of FlyerTalk, seemingly being able to do "research" at your whim on any FTer who has ever criticised you (rightly or wrongly) in the past.

No, I don't doubt your sincerity. I think I was thinking of others. Please accept my apologies for this.

Much clearer. Thanks! But see below too, please.

And what moderators do we have now? No more than we did before TalkBoard was elected. I guess maybe I am questioning the speed and/or ability at which FlyerTalk is able to implement the changes put forth by the TalkBoard, and hence I don't have much confidence right now in the ability of TB to affect any change. I should remember that perhaps you place more confidence in TB's power than I do currently.

No, you don't go attack people because they are TalkBoard members, but I have seen examples of that occuring before.

Because if no one questions why you must post your long um... posts defending yourself from criticisms of the likes of gamble, the board might get filled up completely with such posts because there are many who criticise you about your posting style (including myself, recently, as I am sure you recall).

No, there is no need to demonstrate the abilities of your "who-flamed-me" database. You demonstrated that quite admirably last week, I believe.

Why do you ask? Are you interested too?

I suppose you're right, it is fruitless. You must feel like you're arguing with a rock or something.

Ditto. Over and out.

FewMiles..

FewMiles - FWIW, I'd thought for sure, from the very outset, that I was exchanging posts with a very intelligent, highly educated, and a generally well intentioned as well as a very likely kind individual, who I'd also like to have the pleasure of meeting some day soon. I trust I was not incorrect!

In any case, apart from this comment, and perhaps even out of character, the last word is yours!

Have a great weekend everyone!

-Mark

Thank you Lisa. That is my entire point!

Doc, are you listening?

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Yep, surely! Thanks very much indeed! Have you also read the rest of the thread?

The thread in question, about which your most recent complaint was presumably based, was due to my post on another thread on 07-30-2002, and the former post was on 07-11-2002! How many months is that?

And prior to that, the last post had been on 05-23-2002! How many months is that?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/007833.html

Moreover, I thought you objected to the content of the thread as well, no?

"...we don't need to keep being reminded over and over about it."

Again, in any case, my apologies to all in cluding "gamble0813!"


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I highlighted via BOLD type a part that I'd thought was somewhat important here, just in case you may have missed it, "gamble0813!"


Lisa - Thanks, I understand. Yet, in this case, IMHO, the thread being "revived" herein served to specifically help make my very point - namely that nothing has seemingly happened over all this time. Thus the content is actually not truly "old" at all, is it? I'd thought the content was worthwhile and relevant, and thus was worth reading! Nor did I think, at the time, that still another new "Moderator" thread was really necessary. BTW, the date of the initial post was also a clue that it was not new, no?

As I'd posted in the "revival" post above:

"...Another 6 months has passed, eh?
So what have we all learned here? Anything?"

Moreover, it was a response, as you read above, to the preceeding post, wherein "Goldlust" had specifically urged us all to kindly leave the thread alone for a few months, and then come back to it - which is exactly what I did here!

So again, my apologies.

While I'd thought the discussion was highly relevant for review in a historical context,
nonetheless, I get your point, and I will surely abide by it!

Have a great weekend all!

-Mark



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Doc, Doc, Doc... sigh

My entire point in ALL my communication about you EXCEPT the last one is that I and others have to re-read pages and pages of old text to discover that finally you just posted an update to an old thread. Your defense has been that FT has no issue with you digging up old threads to post an update. Well, buddy boy, you are WRONG. If it is not appreciated in THIS THREAD, then do you really think it is appreciated in ANY THREAD? Does it occur to you that Lisa said "this thread" because she looks in here for suggestions and you caused her to waste time? Take a break from your mad posting and think about it for a minute. I am sure you will discover the deeper message.

Please consider others, and just start a new thread when you have an update. No one is telling you not to post, just not to dig up old threads. Understand that most of the rest of us do not remember every thread and don't check dates.

Thanks for your consideration in NOT posting a response that is over 10,000 characters long!

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Alas, I can see that you are an excellent spokesperson for Lisa, as well as for most, if not all FT'ers. Thanks!

May I politely ask if you have read, or care to even read the thread(s) in question? It's a good idea, I think!

In any case, I see that it is best to perhaps give you the last word!

Have a great weekend everyone!

-Mark