Aug 25, 2017, 7:19 am
Last edit by: Oxon Flyer
It can take up to 7 business days from the day you qualified for your Lifetime Platinum status to be picked up by the system.
Starwood / Marriott merger
Q : What will happen to my Lifetime Status when the programs merge together in the future?
A : Rest assured we will always recognize your Lifetime Status, whether it is today in your earned program or in the future with a new, combined program.
http://members.marriott.com/faq/#what-will-happen-to-my-lifetime-status-when-the-programs-merge-together-in-the-future
Starwood / Marriott merger
Q : What will happen to my Lifetime Status when the programs merge together in the future?
A : Rest assured we will always recognize your Lifetime Status, whether it is today in your earned program or in the future with a new, combined program.
http://members.marriott.com/faq/#what-will-happen-to-my-lifetime-status-when-the-programs-merge-together-in-the-future
Discussion: SPG Lifetime™ Gold and SPG Lifetime™ Platinum status
Jan 12, 2018, 8:13 am
#1681
Join Date: May 2003
Location: LCY
Programs: SQ Krisflyer, QR Privilege Club, MB LT Plt (1K+ nights thx MB)
Posts: 1,038
I meant to post similarly a week ago, but you beat me to the punch. I like your outline, and would suggest a few tweaks:
1) Keep Silver/Gold/Platinum tier names, and add Diamond. Would not devalue current LT Plats down to perks akin to Gold.
2) Diamond gets suite upgrades.
3) Stick with the nights requirements (both annual and LT) that you've laid out, but boost the point requirements significantly in light of the 3:1 transfer ratio. Someone who spent $800K lifetime on an Amex SPG, even with zero MR points and no stays at SPG, would already meet LT Diamond using the 2.4MIL points you proposed. I'd boost LT Point requirements for Silver/Gold/Plat/Diamond to 2MIL/3MIL/4MIL/5MIL.
4) Add "Years of Membership" requirement back in, but counting only the longer tenure someone has in either program (e.g., if you were a MR member for 6 years and SPG for 11, you'd have 11 years of membership). LT Silver/Gold/Platinum/Diamond would require 6/8/10/12 years of membership (not status). This helps, but not completely eliminate, the ability to rapidly buy LT status through various means ($50 meetings to earn 10 nights, etc.)
1) Keep Silver/Gold/Platinum tier names, and add Diamond. Would not devalue current LT Plats down to perks akin to Gold.
2) Diamond gets suite upgrades.
3) Stick with the nights requirements (both annual and LT) that you've laid out, but boost the point requirements significantly in light of the 3:1 transfer ratio. Someone who spent $800K lifetime on an Amex SPG, even with zero MR points and no stays at SPG, would already meet LT Diamond using the 2.4MIL points you proposed. I'd boost LT Point requirements for Silver/Gold/Plat/Diamond to 2MIL/3MIL/4MIL/5MIL.
4) Add "Years of Membership" requirement back in, but counting only the longer tenure someone has in either program (e.g., if you were a MR member for 6 years and SPG for 11, you'd have 11 years of membership). LT Silver/Gold/Platinum/Diamond would require 6/8/10/12 years of membership (not status). This helps, but not completely eliminate, the ability to rapidly buy LT status through various means ($50 meetings to earn 10 nights, etc.)
Jan 12, 2018, 8:37 am
#1682
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: SE USA
Programs: DL DM/MM , IHG Plat, MR Titanium, HH Gold, EK Frequent Kettle, UA Silver, AA Hater
Posts: 2,020
1. Get rid of points requirement. This penalizes people without the worthless MR CC. Recognize my stays, not my CC usage
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
4. Realize SPG is the superior program when designing new program
5. Come up with a better CC for combined program. I got rid of both the MR VI and the SPG AX as neither was very good.
Rant over
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
4. Realize SPG is the superior program when designing new program
5. Come up with a better CC for combined program. I got rid of both the MR VI and the SPG AX as neither was very good.
Rant over
Last edited by dilbertsdaddy; Jan 12, 2018 at 8:43 am
Jan 12, 2018, 8:58 am
#1683
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 13
1. Get rid of points requirement. This penalizes people without the worthless MR CC. Recognize my stays, not my CC usage
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
4. Realize SPG is the superior program when designing new program
5. Come up with a better CC for combined program. I got rid of both the MR VI and the SPG AX as neither was very good.
Rant over
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
4. Realize SPG is the superior program when designing new program
5. Come up with a better CC for combined program. I got rid of both the MR VI and the SPG AX as neither was very good.
Rant over
Jan 12, 2018, 9:17 am
#1684
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: SE USA
Programs: DL DM/MM , IHG Plat, MR Titanium, HH Gold, EK Frequent Kettle, UA Silver, AA Hater
Posts: 2,020
No issue, just not worth the annual fee for what it provides...only real benefit was the elite qual nights which I never needed anyway
In my case, dumping the MR VI was apparently a mistake (from a LT points requirement perspective)
I had to make decisions, not going to pay annual fees for DL/IHG/HH/MR/SPG/Chase
In my case, dumping the MR VI was apparently a mistake (from a LT points requirement perspective)
I had to make decisions, not going to pay annual fees for DL/IHG/HH/MR/SPG/Chase
Last edited by dilbertsdaddy; Jan 12, 2018 at 9:28 am
Jan 12, 2018, 10:19 am
#1685
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,172
Jan 13, 2018, 9:39 am
#1686
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: BZN
Programs: AA:LT Platinum DL:LT Gold UA:1P MAR:LT Titanium
Posts: 8,291
1. Get rid of points requirement. This penalizes people without the worthless MR CC. Recognize my stays, not my CC usage
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
2. Combine nights - there is not enough discussion about this. It seems most people have either SPG or MR; what about those of us who have both?
3. Grandfather LT or combine, whichever is greater. Allow grandfathered a reasonable path to next level
RE #2 - Pretty sure they will combine.
RE #3 - They already announced they will grandfather. Making a reasonable path to the next level is indeed vital.
Jan 13, 2018, 9:46 am
#1687
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,172
Thankfully they have announced, officially, that SPG LT status will be honored (a few anti-intellectual assertions to the contrary). I do think they will introduce a higher Diamond tier or the equivalent. But it may not offer a LT...
Jan 13, 2018, 9:28 pm
#1688
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: BZN
Programs: AA:LT Platinum DL:LT Gold UA:1P MAR:LT Titanium
Posts: 8,291
I hope they don't make LT unavailable.for the highest tier. That would leave those who worked hard to earn LT Platinum in a bad position especially if Platinum gets watered down. Making the requirements tough to achieve would be fine, but making it untouchable for LT is a different story.
Jan 14, 2018, 12:19 am
#1689
Join Date: May 2003
Location: LCY
Programs: SQ Krisflyer, QR Privilege Club, MB LT Plt (1K+ nights thx MB)
Posts: 1,038
RE #1 - it incentivizes an activity that is extremely profitable for Marriott. Doubtful they would eliminate this.
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(1) LT points on your card OR
(2) a higher points earning per dollar
in other words how many would cancel their cards if the card no longer accumulated LT points?
I don't know the definite answer to this question(s) but this is definitely question(s) that needs to be answered when u decide whether the new program will have cc points add to LT points
Jan 14, 2018, 5:53 am
#1690
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,172
I hope they don't make LT unavailable.for the highest tier. That would leave those who worked hard to earn LT Platinum in a bad position especially if Platinum gets watered down. Making the requirements tough to achieve would be fine, but making it untouchable for LT is a different story.
Jan 14, 2018, 6:33 am
#1691
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 905
Combining the total nights in each program would seem to be a fair way to determine status in the new program, even if the number of nights required is at the higher Marriott threshold of 750. 10 years elite status is not unreasonable. Drop the points requirement/CC nexus; Grandfather existing LT arrangements and create a pathway of certainty for those who are in spitting distance of achieving LT status ( eg, within 50 nights or a year as the rules exist currently)
Jan 14, 2018, 7:02 am
#1692
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,172
Combining the total nights in each program would seem to be a fair way to determine status in the new program, even if the number of nights required is at the higher Marriott threshold of 750. 10 years elite status is not unreasonable. Drop the points requirement/CC nexus; Grandfather existing LT arrangements and create a pathway of certainty for those who are in spitting distance of achieving LT status ( eg, within 50 nights or a year as the rules exist currently)
Because Marriott has the SPG data going back to 2002 or whatever, I am guessing they will incorporate it. I do recognize this is not a good outcome for OUS loyals...
Jan 15, 2018, 6:31 am
#1693
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: SE USA
Programs: DL DM/MM , IHG Plat, MR Titanium, HH Gold, EK Frequent Kettle, UA Silver, AA Hater
Posts: 2,020
Combining the total nights in each program would seem to be a fair way to determine status in the new program, even if the number of nights required is at the higher Marriott threshold of 750. 10 years elite status is not unreasonable. Drop the points requirement/CC nexus; Grandfather existing LT arrangements and create a pathway of certainty for those who are in spitting distance of achieving LT status ( eg, within 50 nights or a year as the rules exist currently)
Jan 25, 2018, 3:38 pm
#1694
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,548
Yay! I had my 25th stay this year and within two days of check-out, my status has been updated to LIFETIME PLATINUM!
Jan 25, 2018, 3:46 pm
#1695
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy LT Plat, Hilton Gold, GHA Tit, BA Gold, Turkish Elite
Posts: 8,720