Spanair is shutting down
Jan 29, 2012 | 8:46 am
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Hopefully not. OTOH, loss of JK codeshares and feeder flights within Europe will affect BCN-GRU-BCN load/yields which may have commercial impact.
Jan 29, 2012 | 8:58 am
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I imagine it would, although I guess technically they've stopped flying but not yet formally ceased to exist. I understand there used to be a LH lounge at BCN; guess they will have to recreate it. Will be in BCN next so I'll investigate.
Jan 29, 2012 | 2:52 pm
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This bankruptcy is really an early christmas present for Vueling
Vueling to fly to 23 new destinations from Barcelona Airport after increasing passenger numbers by 11.6% in 2011
Barcelona (ACN).- The Catalan airline Vueling intends to consolidate Barcelona El Prat as a “true hub” for intercontinental flights. On Thursday morning, Vueling announced that it will invest €325 million this summer by opening 23 new routes from Barcelona Airport
http://www.catalannewsagency.com/new...nger-numbers-1
Vueling to fly to 23 new destinations from Barcelona Airport after increasing passenger numbers by 11.6% in 2011
Barcelona (ACN).- The Catalan airline Vueling intends to consolidate Barcelona El Prat as a “true hub” for intercontinental flights. On Thursday morning, Vueling announced that it will invest €325 million this summer by opening 23 new routes from Barcelona Airport
http://www.catalannewsagency.com/new...nger-numbers-1
Jan 29, 2012 | 3:40 pm
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This is a myth that refuses to die. The AVE costs about twice as much as air travel between Barcelona and Madrid.
It is also not faster - at best same door to door time. The AVE in BCN leaves from Sants. Depending where in the city you live, it's not a whole lot slower to get to the airport (especially by taxi).
Finally, if you have anything more than a carry-on bag, the AVE is lot more cumbersome.
Overall more comfortable and less stressful? Sure. But neither cheaper nor faster.
It is also not faster - at best same door to door time. The AVE in BCN leaves from Sants. Depending where in the city you live, it's not a whole lot slower to get to the airport (especially by taxi).
Finally, if you have anything more than a carry-on bag, the AVE is lot more cumbersome.
Overall more comfortable and less stressful? Sure. But neither cheaper nor faster.
Jan 29, 2012 | 3:40 pm
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TAP should take this great opportunity and set up a base in Barcelona, taking over some of the now-dead Spanair's operations, keeping Star Alliance ever present on the Iberian peninsula. TAP should set up a Barcelona-based daughter low-cost carrier and call it.... get ready for this... TAPA.
Jan 29, 2012 | 4:28 pm
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They probably won't. Economically this is the worst I've seen Spain. It's going to be a miracle for the Rajoy gov't to dig out of this hole the Socialists left the country in.
Spanair has only been able to rebook on other carriers 1/3 of the 22,000 passengers trying to get where they need to be.
Not good.
Spanair has only been able to rebook on other carriers 1/3 of the 22,000 passengers trying to get where they need to be.
Not good.
Jan 30, 2012 | 7:57 am
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The People's Party are to blame for much of Spain's pain, as a result of their policies essentially creating what became the property bubble. As opposed to the UK, Spaniards carry very little personal debt aside their mortgages. It is true, though, that Spain would have been in a better standing if the Socialists had not implemented some electioneering measures such as the 400 euro tax rebate for all and the "cheque bebe"
But I digress:
My main concern is Ryanair expanding. Please, enough is enough.
Jan 30, 2012 | 9:14 am
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Anyway, I feel sorry for the people at Spanair (even if they were generally some of the worst airline personal I have ever met during my travels
), but I will not miss the airline. But I am a bit worried about the future of *A in BCN.
Jan 30, 2012 | 12:57 pm
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Jan 30, 2012 | 1:19 pm
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LH has already updated their lounge directory:
Star Gold Card
Airport Barcelona
Location Sala Pau Casals: Terminal 1 - between the floors of the boarding zone and the Sky Center, on the south side
Name Sala Pau Casals
Opening hours 5:00 am - 10:30 pm
If I'm not mistaken, this one was for F and HON only, and the JK lounge listed for everybody else, as recently as yesterday. Those Germans - efficient and unsentimental!
Star Gold Card
Airport Barcelona
Location Sala Pau Casals: Terminal 1 - between the floors of the boarding zone and the Sky Center, on the south side
Name Sala Pau Casals
Opening hours 5:00 am - 10:30 pm
If I'm not mistaken, this one was for F and HON only, and the JK lounge listed for everybody else, as recently as yesterday. Those Germans - efficient and unsentimental!
Jan 30, 2012 | 3:34 pm
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The decoration/quality of the furniture is slightly better but the drinks and food offerings are the same, so not a big improvement.
Jan 30, 2012 | 3:45 pm
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This is probably not the right forum for this. But I think that you are both right: asterion about one of the causes of the crisis, and GuyverII about who the general public blames (without properly analysing the situation).
Anyway, I feel sorry for the people at Spanair (even if they were generally some of the worst airline personal I have ever met during my travels), but I will not miss the airline. But I am a bit worried about the future of *A in BCN.
Anyway, I feel sorry for the people at Spanair (even if they were generally some of the worst airline personal I have ever met during my travels
), but I will not miss the airline. But I am a bit worried about the future of *A in BCN.Of course banks, politicians,...fueled this but it had no sense that property prices in small towns, in the middle of nowhere, were higher than in Berlin.
2. +1 on Spanair but I actually miss more the end of LH Italia. The flights to MXP were very convenient and the fares fantastic.
Jan 31, 2012 | 5:27 am
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Vueling and Ryanair are now trying to make the most of the situation, but I think it's the former that will pull it off. It has the most routes in common, including the BCN-MAD shuttle, it's the "unofficial" airline of BCN and the one that should have more support from the government... but nothing like what Spanair got, of course.