Family Asked To Leave Southwest Flight After Tweet
#61
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Dumbest comment I read today.
He is free to say what he wants, but there is a proper way to file a complaint and get it handled. People think they can say whatever and get away with it, sorry it doesn't work that way. You are free to say what you will, but that doesn't mean you get away without any repercussions.
If it were me I would have denied boarding, refunded the full cost of the tickets, and told them to find another airline. Douche bag mentality needs to be put into check and some just think because they have a certain status that they get to have their way all the time. It doesn't work like that. If he would have followed the rules like everyone else, instead of thinking himself more important than everyone else on the aircraft, this would have been a non-issue.
I also echo the comments on how the TV station was called on such a non-story. This guy is chasing attention.
He is free to say what he wants, but there is a proper way to file a complaint and get it handled. People think they can say whatever and get away with it, sorry it doesn't work that way. You are free to say what you will, but that doesn't mean you get away without any repercussions.
If it were me I would have denied boarding, refunded the full cost of the tickets, and told them to find another airline. Douche bag mentality needs to be put into check and some just think because they have a certain status that they get to have their way all the time. It doesn't work like that. If he would have followed the rules like everyone else, instead of thinking himself more important than everyone else on the aircraft, this would have been a non-issue.
I also echo the comments on how the TV station was called on such a non-story. This guy is chasing attention.
What on earth would make you think that a company employee can retaliate against a customer for giving negative feedback of the service they provided?
Sure, the companies provide official ways to provide complaints, but customers are by no means required to use them. They are free to comment on their experience to their friends, their coworkers, the people standing in line next to them... And OF COURSE they are free to write about it on social media.
Can you imagine what would happen if airlines let employees kick passengers off flights every time they complained about poor service, either in person, or online? No public company is going to tolerate that kind of behavior from its employees, whether or not the guy posted on social media, whether or not he named the employee.
I guarantee you SouthWest execs are face-palming over this right now, and preparing memos to their workforce reminding them when it is and isn't appropriate to deny a passenger boarding.
#62
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I'm usually one who by instinct favors the consumer over corporate entities, but increasingly you see people gaming the system and expecting rules to be broken just for them. In general, I feel that well-written rules will have plenty of "bend" in them, but will also protect the employee when the rules are broken in such a clear way.
#63
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I can promise SW does monitor tweets, and I can also promise they don't use that monitoring to remove people from planes. Even beyond the creepy aspect of that strategy, the logistics would be impossible.
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Again, I'm not saying what did or didn't happen. I'm simply pointing out that there are plausible opposing scenarios (and the truth probably is in between).
#66
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Let's see - the passenger was already boarded and flying AWAY from "rude" agent. She feels so physically threatened that she then goes to engage him and DEMAND that he delete a tweet (that is his opinion of her behavior - that she is rude) before allowing him to fly.
If I feel physically threatened, I am not going to engage the person - especially one who is leaving. She should have let this roll off her back instead she went on a power trip.
While I do not know for 100% certain that the pax didn't physically threaten her - I can do a pretty good job of surmising that RUDE agent wasn't afraid of him.
If I feel physically threatened, I am not going to engage the person - especially one who is leaving. She should have let this roll off her back instead she went on a power trip.
While I do not know for 100% certain that the pax didn't physically threaten her - I can do a pretty good job of surmising that RUDE agent wasn't afraid of him.
How do each if you know she was not physically threatened? We have only the passenger's version of the account.
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
#67
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IMHO your scenario is hardly plausible. Said agent pulls him off the flight to make him delete a tweet and threatens to call the cops in front of his children but then has so much compassion for the pax that she doesn't want him arrested????? Really?
Remember - WN gave the pax $150 of credit so it appears they are none too proud of their agent's actions.
Remember - WN gave the pax $150 of credit so it appears they are none too proud of their agent's actions.
Not necessarily - if it happened, perhaps the GA didn't want a father traveling with his children arrested and thought that removing them from the flight might be appropriate enough.
Again, I'm not saying what did or didn't happen. I'm simply pointing out that there are plausible opposing scenarios (and the truth probably is in between).
Again, I'm not saying what did or didn't happen. I'm simply pointing out that there are plausible opposing scenarios (and the truth probably is in between).
#68
Join Date: Mar 2011
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As a customer service executive, it absolutely boggles my mind reading this, and the other comments that supported the GA. Granted, you are in the minority, most people either disapproved or pointed out there might be a second side to the story. But the line of thinking you posted (and ludicrously called someone else out) is just mind blowing.
What on earth would make you think that a company employee can retaliate against a customer for giving negative feedback of the service they provided?
Sure, the companies provide official ways to provide complaints, but customers are by no means required to use them. They are free to comment on their experience to their friends, their coworkers, the people standing in line next to them... And OF COURSE they are free to write about it on social media.
Can you imagine what would happen if airlines let employees kick passengers off flights every time they complained about poor service, either in person, or online? No public company is going to tolerate that kind of behavior from its employees, whether or not the guy posted on social media, whether or not he named the employee.
I guarantee you SouthWest execs are face-palming over this right now, and preparing memos to their workforce reminding them when it is and isn't appropriate to deny a passenger boarding.
What on earth would make you think that a company employee can retaliate against a customer for giving negative feedback of the service they provided?
Sure, the companies provide official ways to provide complaints, but customers are by no means required to use them. They are free to comment on their experience to their friends, their coworkers, the people standing in line next to them... And OF COURSE they are free to write about it on social media.
Can you imagine what would happen if airlines let employees kick passengers off flights every time they complained about poor service, either in person, or online? No public company is going to tolerate that kind of behavior from its employees, whether or not the guy posted on social media, whether or not he named the employee.
I guarantee you SouthWest execs are face-palming over this right now, and preparing memos to their workforce reminding them when it is and isn't appropriate to deny a passenger boarding.
#69
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Let's see - the passenger was already boarded and flying AWAY from "rude" agent. She feels so physically threatened that she then goes to engage him and DEMAND that he delete a tweet (that is his opinion of her behavior - that she is rude) before allowing him to fly.
If I feel physically threatened, I am not going to engage the person - especially one who is leaving. She should have let this roll off her back instead she went on a power trip.
While I do not know for 100% certain that the pax didn't physically threaten her - I can do a pretty good job of surmising that RUDE agent wasn't afraid of him.
If I feel physically threatened, I am not going to engage the person - especially one who is leaving. She should have let this roll off her back instead she went on a power trip.
While I do not know for 100% certain that the pax didn't physically threaten her - I can do a pretty good job of surmising that RUDE agent wasn't afraid of him.
How do each if you know she was not physically threatened? We have only the passenger's version of the account.
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
How is her act tantamount to a lie? We have only a one-sided abbreviated version of each person's actions.
Do you believe that the story telling pax was perfectly honest about how he treated the GA and didn't leave anything out?
This may or may not be fine. But, keep in mind the source. If this were a criminal trial, you have just been presented the prosecution's accusations....do you not give the accused an opportunity to refute? (I know the employee isn't going to talk publicly about this, but, I think it reasonable to take the passenger's account with a grain of salt)
#70
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She poured gas on a fire and it blew up in her face. So now WN marketing team gets to clean up the mess.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
#71
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Perhaps the point of requiring the tweet be removed was primarily because the GA felt "threatened" not by the man himself but by her name and location being tweeted with a negative comment?
Probably an overreaction, but maybe that was where the alleged concern came from (surely people tweet negative comments about/to Southwest and every-other airline all the time--I know I have regarding Southwest).
Probably an overreaction, but maybe that was where the alleged concern came from (surely people tweet negative comments about/to Southwest and every-other airline all the time--I know I have regarding Southwest).
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IMHO your scenario is hardly plausible. Said agent pulls him off the flight to make him delete a tweet and threatens to call the cops in front of his children but then has so much compassion for the pax that she doesn't want him arrested????? Really?
Remember - WN gave the pax $150 of credit so it appears they are none too proud of their agent's actions.
Remember - WN gave the pax $150 of credit so it appears they are none too proud of their agent's actions.
Not necessarily - if it happened, perhaps the GA didn't want a father traveling with his children arrested and thought that removing them from the flight might be appropriate enough.
Again, I'm not saying what did or didn't happen. I'm simply pointing out that there are plausible opposing scenarios (and the truth probably is in between).
Again, I'm not saying what did or didn't happen. I'm simply pointing out that there are plausible opposing scenarios (and the truth probably is in between).
If this was the scenario, I think the GA's compassion would probably have been more towards the 6- and 9-year old children being separated from their only present parent.
I don't read too much into WN's $50/pax compensation offer as I doubt anyone investigated his complaints before the compensation was offered considering how low it is. I've received greater compensation from a front line CSR before.
#73
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One last item - I copied this from the news article
"In an email to Watson, Southwest apologized for the incident."
My guess is that there wasn't a physical threat given that WN APOLOGIZED.
"In an email to Watson, Southwest apologized for the incident."
My guess is that there wasn't a physical threat given that WN APOLOGIZED.
She poured gas on a fire and it blew up in her face. So now WN marketing team gets to clean up the mess.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
#74
Join Date: Mar 2012
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As a customer service executive, it absolutely boggles my mind reading this, and the other comments that supported the GA. Granted, you are in the minority, most people either disapproved or pointed out there might be a second side to the story. But the line of thinking you posted (and ludicrously called someone else out) is just mind blowing.
What on earth would make you think that a company employee can retaliate against a customer for giving negative feedback of the service they provided?
Sure, the companies provide official ways to provide complaints, but customers are by no means required to use them. They are free to comment on their experience to their friends, their coworkers, the people standing in line next to them... And OF COURSE they are free to write about it on social media.
Can you imagine what would happen if airlines let employees kick passengers off flights every time they complained about poor service, either in person, or online? No public company is going to tolerate that kind of behavior from its employees, whether or not the guy posted on social media, whether or not he named the employee.
I guarantee you SouthWest execs are face-palming over this right now, and preparing memos to their workforce reminding them when it is and isn't appropriate to deny a passenger boarding.
What on earth would make you think that a company employee can retaliate against a customer for giving negative feedback of the service they provided?
Sure, the companies provide official ways to provide complaints, but customers are by no means required to use them. They are free to comment on their experience to their friends, their coworkers, the people standing in line next to them... And OF COURSE they are free to write about it on social media.
Can you imagine what would happen if airlines let employees kick passengers off flights every time they complained about poor service, either in person, or online? No public company is going to tolerate that kind of behavior from its employees, whether or not the guy posted on social media, whether or not he named the employee.
I guarantee you SouthWest execs are face-palming over this right now, and preparing memos to their workforce reminding them when it is and isn't appropriate to deny a passenger boarding.
What should do the GA have done? Simply denied allowing the A-List pax to board early with the kids and say he can go with them later at their spot or they can board separately. When he started getting an attitude with the GA, she should have just referred him to Customer Relations if he isn't happy with the policy. They would have gave him a voucher to make him feel like a special snowflake and move on to the next person.
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She poured gas on a fire and it blew up in her face. So now WN marketing team gets to clean up the mess.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
Nice to know that you think that her actions are defensible, because as I said before WN wouldn't have given away vouchers if her actions were deemed stellar. Me doubts that she will be elected employee of the month.
I simply pointed out that we have only a skewed account of the incident and not the whole story. I, therefore, reserve judgment.