889

Remember that every state has a vaccination registry. The pharmacy enters it online when they give you a shot. So if in the same state they'll see you've already had your Covid shots.

downinit

The QR code is what gets scanned when you apply for the VTP. If it is sufficient for them to issue the VTP, it is clearly sufficient for being accepted by the airline. It is the QR code that is the proof of vaccination, not the header on the screen (the QR issued by CA has the same information as the QR issued by Wal-Mart/CVS/etc). Do you honestly believe that the check-in agents at LAX will not be familiar with the CA vaccine pass? The document check at the airport will just be a precursory check to make sure you have what is asked for.

889

Isn't that the whole point of uploading QR codes to Singapore in advance. It eliminates the need for airlines to assess vaccination certificates. All they need to see is that you've been given an OK to fly by Singapore.

paperwastage

Again, SG citizen/pr don't need to apply for Vtl.
I'm sure most of those peoole won't be showing a MyChart epic/CA/NY qr code.

But it's just easier if you show a qr code with "smart health card" printed next to it , during checkin.


Versus if you show a NY excelsior pass plus while checking in in Europe (and remember Ny excelsior pass doesn't count, must be excelsior pass plus)

So you should use the actual smart health system to verify that everything is good

paperwastage

Things like this too
https://arstechnica.com/information-...-went-offline/

anyone check if the common health pass app requires data connection after storing pass?


I guess most foreign Vtl travelers would be ok (just lookup the Vtl application for the qr code), just too bad for SG citizens who don't have to apply for Vtl approval, and can't get their nhs app to work.

someone said the NHS app generates printable copies valid for 1 month, any idea able Commonhealth app?

889

The CommonPass app displays the QR code fine when you are offline.

paperwastage

VTL Australia and Switzerland nOv 8 (aus not fully open to SG citizens though)
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...-able-to-enter

Wonder why south Korea was announced earlier but Still not yet started. Could be like Australia and just start earlier one-way first (Vtl one way into SG, SG not yet allowed into australia, some aus States predict Dec opening)


I guess I'm surprised by the full-steam-ahead approach for VTL, just unfortunate about domestic situation (which seems more or less about hospitalization caapcity)

SG has pretty high per capita covid cases... But i guess other countries don't care enough,due to high vaccination rates using mostly mRNA?

invisible

As it was mentioned by a number of times by outside and even inside observers, the problem is not with the capacity but rather with the policy which led to the current situation.

The main issue - that covid is not cancer diagnosis and/or another deadly illness if you are vaccinated, has not yet been broadly broadcasted by the authorities.

paperwastage

i mean I do agree that your response is probably one major underlying cause (that causes higher hospitalization rates than you would expect in Europe/USA)

and then the reaction is to lockdown further to protect that hospitalization number from growing worse. then cycle continues

I dont think the MTF is doubling down on the "covid is deadly even if vaccinated", otherwise they would remain at covid-zero - just that communication needs to be improved (and the pivot to treat it like flu/dengue isn't succesful)





https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...ed-spore-under
. wonder how far it'll take to hit the 3k limit/day VTL

a5un

We're almost 2 years into this problem. How about building more hospitals and more hospital bed capacities? After this whole thing blows over, Singapore can continue to sell their superior medical tourism to the rich in neighbourhood countries with subpar healthcare. Win win win all around. Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

paperwastage

given that every country has high demand for healthcare workers right now, those workers are burnt out, Philippines (major source of nurses) blocked nurses from leaving country until Nov 2020.... who's staffing the new facilities?

You Already have Medical/nursing school students graduating early and getting dumped straight into working

Increasing healthcare capacity is more of a medium/long term solution(like HDBs shortage).

now, you could increase bed:nurse ratio, leading to worse quality of care (happening a lot in usa/other countries). Many countries just make covid ER patients leave and recover at home until they get better or much worse, attempting to manage that hospitalization surge (which is more or less doable for healthy vaccinated individuals, especially if you monitor pulse ox with your free oximeter). Messaging needs to be clear


It's just an unfortunate situation

invisible

Based on the number of reporting in travel-related forums-chats, the situation is following - VTL flights to Singapore are full, non-VTL flights are empty. I am going to check and confirm this in 2 weeks, my MUC-SIN is a non-VTL flight. In terms of passengers on VTL flights, the vast majority are citizens/pr/long-term pass holders - people who already are residents of Singapore.

As already has been mentioned, while you can build hospitals, you can't clone people who will work there. You need skilled workers and no - 2 weeks of training from My Careers Future won't help. Currently, staff is burnt out, overworked, and a number of (unpublished in local media) reports are that they are quitting in masses because of overwork. Elective surgeries are still not allowed.

As far as 'excellent care' - here is a status report by a local guy who lives in the States and came back because both of his parents ended up getting covid and then being in hospital first and then in Connect@Changi.


Here is the post https://ww w.facebook.com/jamesyong/posts/10159123056166329 - notice that there is a space in the URL that needs to be removed - Facebook links are broken/hidden by the forum engine.

freed0m

The ICU is almost at capacity. the stress on healthcare is real.

freed0m

where are the doctors and nurses required to staff the hospitals? Somehow the government has the magic to get the medical personnels out of nowhere

a5un

Import them from India, Philippines and other usual suspects. It's already been done for low skill labours up to IT professionals. The bureaucracy is already in place for this.