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Old Jul 16, 21, 6:07 am
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The road to COVID-19 reopen starts

No circuit breaker, no lockdown for the most recent and largest COVID-19 cluster of 120 (growing) in Singapore in the last few days.

Let's see how far it goes.
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Old Jul 16, 21, 7:09 am
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But one might look to this as No circuit breaker circuit breaker, v2. Second time in 2 months - >2000 people got quarantine orders.

That roadmap for opening, including living with virus and stopping reporting case numbers is probably history too.
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Old Jul 16, 21, 7:26 am
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But one might look to this as No circuit breaker circuit breaker, v2. Second time in 2 months - >2000 people got quarantine orders.

That roadmap for opening, including living with virus and stopping reporting case numbers is probably history too.
by year end, should no more case report liao.

now transit period.
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Old Jul 18, 21, 12:03 am
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The big question though is what happens next? Or if they are even going to allow entry for foreigners. Especially when their direct neighbouring countries are experiencing the largest outbreaks ever.
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Old Jul 18, 21, 12:41 am
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The big question though is what happens next? Or if they are even going to allow entry for foreigners. Especially when their direct neighbouring countries are experiencing the largest outbreaks ever.
if Singaporeans return from oversea without quarantine, it should apply to foreigners coming to Singapore as long as they are vaccinated the same as Singaporeans, that means, Pfizer and Moderna only and proper documentation.
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Old Jul 18, 21, 12:56 am
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if Singaporeans return from oversea without quarantine, it should apply to foreigners coming to Singapore as long as they are vaccinated the same as Singaporeans, that means, Pfizer and Moderna only and proper documentation.
If they are only allowing people in with Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, it creates a problem since the vast majority in Indonesia/Malaysia/Thailand/India and nearly all of China is vaccinated with something else. And the foreign travellers from these 4 regions definitely make up more than 60% of all travellers into Singapore.
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Old Jul 18, 21, 3:06 am
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If they are only allowing people in with Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, it creates a problem since the vast majority in Indonesia/Malaysia/Thailand/India and nearly all of China is vaccinated with something else. And the foreign travellers from these 4 regions definitely make up more than 60% of all travellers into Singapore.
None of those 4 countries are anywhere near the vaccination rate required or the case per 100,000 required.

They can come with quarantine.

People from China can come to Singapore without quarantine now.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 8:14 am
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None of those 4 countries are anywhere near the vaccination rate required or the case per 100,000 required.

They can come with quarantine.

People from China can come to Singapore without quarantine now.
The problem is they can't go back without a very long quarantine.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 8:20 am
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The problem is they can't go back without a very long quarantine.
That is not up to Singapore to decide.
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Anyone wish to speculate when Pfizer vaccinated US residents will be allowed to enter Singapore?
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Old Jul 19, 21, 2:09 pm
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Anyone wish to speculate when Pfizer vaccinated US residents will be allowed to enter Singapore?
Not at least Sept, probably December or next year.

Ministers say no big bang opening, just slow reopening starting Aug/Sept

currently 48.1% of population with both doses, 73% population with at least one, ~4 week between doses so you get 70%+ fully protected/vaccinated at end of August (6 weeks from now), before SG can really consider moving to endemic phase

USA does not have vaccine passport unlike UK/France/..., Though with delta variant things can change where countries can't get below 2-3 and vaccine passports aren't useful for sg

(ministers prefer origin countries to have 2-3 cases per 100k plus high vaccination rate, usa/france/Israel is at 10 now, UK at 65, Singapore at 0.9, hkg at 0.01)
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Old Jul 19, 21, 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by paperwastage View Post
Not at least Sept, probably December or next year.

Ministers say no big bang opening, just slow reopening starting Aug/Sept

currently 48.1% of population with both doses, 73% population with at least one, ~4 week between doses so you get 70%+ fully protected/vaccinated at end of August (6 weeks from now), before SG can really consider moving to endemic phase

USA does not have vaccine passport unlike UK/France/..., Though with delta variant things can change where countries can't get below 2-3 and vaccine passports aren't useful for sg

(ministers prefer origin countries to have 2-3 cases per 100k plus high vaccination rate, usa/france/Israel is at 10 now, UK at 65, Singapore at 0.9, hkg at 0.01)
any thounghts on canada? I was hoping to travel to japan and or Taiwan but I'm thinking both will be closed and perhaps Singapore might be an option before year end. Fully vaccinated for almost 2 months with pfizer.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 8:01 pm
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any thounghts on canada? I was hoping to travel to japan and or Taiwan but I'm thinking both will be closed and perhaps Singapore might be an option before year end. Fully vaccinated for almost 2 months with pfizer.
I mean Canada just opened up to USA (Aug 9) and likely open to more countries in Sept (which can change depending on conditions)


it's a two way street - need both sides reciprocating, otherwise it's just a one-way street (free to go from Singapore to Canada, but not the other way around)

Canada is doing pretty well with vaccinations (68%+ population first dose, 43% fully vaccinated, similar to Singapore)

Given that Canada mixed and matches doses (doesn't affect you, but affects how Singapore determines which countries and how vaccine passports work, and Singapore only using mRNA in national campaign and considers Sinovac as a lower tier), it'll take time for SG and Canada to negotiate. I wouldn't bet on this year (or maybe a modified 3-7day quarantine at best if you had both Pfizer or both moderna, and expect significant covid insurance requirements)

Canada's requirement for entering
Travelers must present Canadian border officials with proof of vaccination. Canada will accept only the Covid vaccines it has approved for its population: those made by Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca/Covishield, and Janssen, the brand used by Johnson & Johnson in Canada

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Old Jul 20, 21, 4:02 am
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a sad setback, we are going back to lockdown....
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Old Jul 20, 21, 4:15 am
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a sad setback, we are going back to lockdown....
Well at least it was not declared that Lockdown is Opening in line of

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Bloomberg already has an article

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...he-ktv-cluster
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